agreed, brebro.

brebro - 10 April 2009 01:42 PM

When people talk about “respect” in these cases, I think they actually mean “tolerance,” as in: they respect the right of every person to believe in whatever they want, but they don’t actually respect the actual things those people believe in, they only tolerate those beliefs.

When I was referring to respect, as in respect for church-goers, I did indeed mean respect - but respect for the people themselves, that is, I will treat them or relate to them in a respectful way and not condemn their beliefs or practices - at least not directly to them, even though I might totally disagree with their beliefs or practices in my own mind.

As to “...don’t actually respect the actual things those people believe in,” I think I’m in agreement with you. But I see that as more a tolerance issue than respect. And in addition to treating people with certain religious beliefs with respect, I will also tolerate their beliefs and practices as long as those beliefs and practices are doing no harm to me or my family.

I’m all for tolerance; a philosophy of live and let live is a great way for 6 billion people to get along on a small mudball surrounded by vast areas of lifeless cold night, but I draw the line at sincerely proclaiming I respect what I consider to be crazy beliefs of others, no matter how many numbers they are able to achieve that support their mass delusions. (For example: I don’t share the belief that:...

I agree with you completely on the live and let live philosophy. However, all the “crazy” beliefs of others that you listed, for me personally, it’s hard to see how any of those really do me any harm if the people choose to believe those things. Harm would come in, seems to me, where proponents of such beliefs would attempt to impose such beliefs on others, particularly me. If it is a sin to wear red and dance, and I’m wearing red and dancing, I wouldn’t take too kindly to someone attempting to control my appearance (wearing red) or behavior (dancing) simply because they felt it was wrong. The breastfeeding mom analogy again comes to mind.

I agree Kriss

On a side note.. In India and other eastern countries theirs a true respect for other peoples paths… That part of the dogma has been taken out of the equation

Theirs no one way… Their should be many ways for the many different people in the world

JOHN-C - 10 April 2009 03:34 PM

I agree Kriss

On a side note.. In India and other eastern countries theirs a true respect for other peoples paths… That part of the dogma has been taken out of the equation

What?!?!  Relations between Hindu and Mulsim has been a source of tension for a very long time. In fact, many of them actively kill each other, on a daily basis.

Intolerance is not isolated to western culture, despite the mythology that some in the west enjoy perpetuating. People are people. wherever you go.

The (PFKaP) - 10 April 2009 03:48 PM

JOHN-C - 10 April 2009 03:34 PM

I agree Kriss

On a side note.. In India and other eastern countries theirs a true respect for other peoples paths… That part of the dogma has been taken out of the equation

What?!?!  Relations between Hindu and Muslim has been a source of tension for a very long time. In fact, many of them actively kill each other, on a daily basis.

Intolerance is not isolated to western culture, despite the mythology that some in the west enjoy perpetuating. People are people. wherever you go.

what he said (I fixed the typo).

I think the point I’m trying to make is generally theirs a deeper perception of the nature of spirituality and religion in the east…  I think the generally speaking the violence over there is more political than anything right now.

One over looked religion in India is the Sikh path… The fifth largest religion in the world at over 20 million people just in India… and they’ve been relatively respectful and tolerate of their neighbors

JOHN-C - 10 April 2009 03:34 PM

I agree Kriss

On a side note.. In India and other eastern countries theirs a true respect for other peoples paths… That part of the dogma has been taken out of the equation

Theirs no one way… Their should be many ways for the many different people in the world

India has even recently seen killings in the name of Hinduism or Islam. This perpetual conflict that dates back centuries is far more deadly than anything we see around here.  The ancient Hindus rather than accept the advent of Buddhism, adopted Buddha as one of their incarnations of god and effectively prevented Buddhism from developing there which is why it moved north and east.

Back in the late seventies a fanatic Hindu threw a knife at the mystic Rajneesh during one of his discourses.  Story goes it was a very dull knife but nonetheless, the attempt was taken seriously, though the blade fell far short of it’s target. Also, violence between Muslims and Hindus was highlighted in the movie Slumdog Millionaire. The lead character’s mother was murdered by a mob of Hindus early in the film. Need I mention the recent Islamic terrorist attack that increased tensions between Pakistan and India.  In fact the whole partitioning of the Indian subcontinent by the British was rooted in this ancient conflict.

Good point, Kriss. I forgot to add the “I tolerate other beliefs as long as they are not being forced upon me or made into laws for all of us in an effort to make them everyone’s beliefs” addendum to that post.

One quick point I’d like to make…

Religion isn’t the problem.. It’s the consciousness that’s applied to the religion that’s causing problems..

It’s not the car(or vehicle)... It’s the person(consciousness) driving

can you ####### agree to that…  hahahahahhahahha

no.

Oh, well, when some guy says so with a british accent…

Much like Joan Jett, I don’t give a damn ‘bout your bad refutation..

Much like Jimi Hendrix I’m high as a flippin star.

Much like ABBA I’m a dancing queen.