The (PFKaP) - 28 April 2009 05:50 PM

Thats the thing about the new-agers, though, right?

They arent much different than, say, a southern baptist, in practice. They throw hypocritical accusation around with the slightest hint of irony, while at the same time claiming to “not be judgmental”.

New ager, who me?  Not in this life.  I dislike new agers almost as much as smart aleck kids who think they know far more than they do. Hypocrite?, not me and I’ll be the first in the block to admit to the same failings as you.  The main difference is I KNOW I DON’T KNOW and you young delusionals run around these pages acting like freakin geniuses. You are right, however, many new agers I’ve known are a pebbles throw from the pew of your local Baptist Church.  they just dance now.

Oh and hell yes, I’m judgmental as hell. You betcha!

Like I said, a lot of amateurish psychology expressed on these page.  It does figure, doesn’t it?  You’ve never laid eyes on me, I could be a woman for all you know. Yet you’re spouting BS about me as if we’ve been old pals for your whole little life.  What a joke.

“You grow up the day you have your first real laugh – at yourself.”
Ethel Barrymore

shadmarsh - 28 April 2009 08:40 AM

Why is that since we don’t agree with your opinions that we are “perverting” the thread?  So we should just agree with what you say and tell you how profound your insights are? If that is your goal start a blog, this is an open forum, you have no right not to be offended.

Thomas38 - 28 April 2009 07:18 AM

Jones was a sick Christian cult leader, not a religious man at all, more a mentally ill demagogue obsessed with power, power he could only manage to exercise over the downtrodden and ignorant people he preyed upon.

The fact that you identify him as a Christian then say he wasn’t a religious man at all, which I agree with, is ridiculous. Why link him to Christianity in any way?

Thomas38 - 29 April 2009 06:31 AM

Like I said, a lot of amateurish psychology expressed on these page.  It does figure, doesn’t it?  You’ve never laid eyes on me, I could be a woman for all you know. Yet you’re spouting BS about me as if we’ve been old pals for your whole little life.  What a joke.

“You grow up the day you have your first real laugh – at yourself.”
Ethel Barrymore

It must be really confusing to constantly contradict yourself.

You should really just start a blog.

bobaloo - 29 April 2009 11:36 AM

Thomas38 - 28 April 2009 07:18 AM

Jones was a sick Christian cult leader, not a religious man at all, more a mentally ill demagogue obsessed with power, power he could only manage to exercise over the downtrodden and ignorant people he preyed upon.

The fact that you identify him as a Christian then say he wasn’t a religious man at all, which I agree with, is ridiculous. Why link him to Christianity in any way?

Being a Christian or a Muslim or any other faith doesn’t make a person religious, just a member of a religion. That being said I misspoke.  He was a student pastor of a Methodist Church at one time but left the church because of a policy against black people becoming members.

The question here is whether or not being a disciple of Osho makes one a cult member. I say not as the definition of cult is fairly clear. Osho did not found a religion, was not the object of worship, taught no creed, demanded no fealty and was not teaching any religious tradition.  He was born into a Jain family but did not follow the religion of his parents. They, in fact, became his disciples.

As for knowing about Osho in terms of opining, I submit that looking from the outside is far different than looking from the inside. It’s, if you will, a case of unless you’ve walked a mile in the other guys shoes you can’t know his experience. 

In a sense, the difficulty with this whole sub-forum is simply the fact that unless you are involved in whatever religious pursuits you are speaking about you cannot, in fact, know any more than second hand what it’s about. This makes it a very difficult topic to join in debate about unless all are looking from the same perspective more or less.

Now you might say then “Tom, you have no business commenting on Christianity, you’re not a Christian”,  to which I must answer, I was raised a Christian, baptized a Methodist, was involved in various church activities until approximately 1967 and left the church purely because it was not meeting my needs. By the way, though I reject totally all organized religions fro some very credible reasons, I do not label myself an atheist. In my milieu no labels are applied.  We are all individuals who, more or less, take a wait and see stance.  Osho has stated “There is no god, only godliness”.  That being said, Osho is a tremendously contradictory man thus one cannot rightly conclude anything about god from what he has said.

Found this little piece that may help explain what this thread was intended to be about. It is not, as one individual suggests, a dangerous attitude. In fact to be in the moment is the only reality that truly exists. It enables one to remain “cool”, in a sense non reactive which is the essence of most martial arts and should be the essence of most heavy decision making.  It means, NO EMOTION for when we allow emotion to control our behavior we are bound to make errors in judgment. 

Learning to be “in the world, but not of it” is a goal of many ancient wisdom traditions. It implies that humans are spiritual beings incarnated in the material world and must learn to navigate this essentially and fundamentally foreign territory without getting lost or losing themselves in the process. It also implies a very great nobility of purpose for us human beings—to be actively engaged in the life of the world, to throw our hearts and souls into it and to enrich the world without ever forgetting who we are and what our true home is. “To be in the world, but not of it” is a difficult and constantly challenging invitation to “hold the tension” between forgetting ourselves in our worldly affairs versus imagining that we are somehow beyond the world in some kind of transcendent way that leaves the world and others behind. The tension of “being in the world, but not of it” is only resolved by learning to be present in the moment.

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/articles/NArtintheworld.asp

Will any of this help to reduce the amount of thetans in my system?