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Compulsory Sterilization?
 
Jul 20, 2009  04:34 PM
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I’ve worked in mental hospitals and prisons for over 30 years as an RN..Part of that time I worked with pregnant patients who had drug problems, mental problems, that prevented them from behaving like responsible parents..I also worked with children who were victims of fetal alcohol syndrome, and other drug related problems..I wish sometimes we had a way to prevent these atrocities from happening…I know this is a touchy subject..just wanted to hear some thoughts on the subject..

A history of Compulsory Sterilization from wikipedia..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization


Here’s one communities attempt at solving the problem..

Organization Pays Addicted Women to Undergo Permanent Sterilization


A Tennessee non-profit organization is paying drug addicts and alcoholics to undergo sterilization or long-term contraception. Seriously.

  Cash for birth control may sound unusual, but it’s one woman’s crusade to stop drug addicts and alcoholics from giving birth.

  Barbara Harris started “Project Prevention” after watching her four adopted children struggle with drug addiction at birth. Now teens, they’re helping spread her message across the United States.

  Parked under a downtown Knoxville overpass Wednesday night sat a 30-foot RV with bold pictures on the outside of it.

  The same people who drove it here passed out flyers and talked to anyone who would listen.

  “My heart is for the children. These women have a choice, but children don’t,” Harris explains.

  The organization pays women who are drug addicts or alcoholics a one time amount of $300 to get permanent birth control.

  If they choose to get long-term birth control, $300 is paid out each year they use it.


  Men can also get involved and get a one time amount of $300 for having a vasectomy.

  Documented proof of a drug addiction or alcohol problem is mandatory to qualify.

More thoughts on this subject here..

http://thecurvature.com/2009/07/02/organization-pays-addicted-women-to-undergo-permanent-sterilization/

From the above link..

What we’re looking at here is the exploitation of a vulnerable population of women.  (While the program is open to men, less than 1% of those who have taken the deal have actually been men.)  Because I don’t know about you, but I don’t know a whole lot of people who aren’t currently interested in permanent birth control who would suddenly become interested for a rather lousy $300.  I can only imagine, in fact, that someone would take such a deal only if they were incredibly desperate for money (and not only because of addiction, but also because of unbearable living expenses, etc.).

And so when Harris dismisses the question of women using their $300 to buy drugs with “it’s their choice,” I really feel nothing but revulsion for her.  When we’re talking about handing money to someone on the street, I agree with her — moralizing your decision to not give someone $5 as because they might spend it in ways you don’t like is pretty wrong.  But taking something — something serious — from a person for a fairly small amount of money, knowing that they’re likely only doing it because they lack other options, and then doing it anyway?  That’s an entirely different ballgame altogether.

Of course, they want us to believe that this is about the babies and not about preventing “undesirable” women from having children.  Obviously we’re just supposed to forget the whole history of forcibly sterilizing women of color and poor women and women with disabilities.  This is different, you see.

Look, I think it’s pretty damn clear that no one wants babies to be born with fetal alcohol syndrome or other drug exposure related conditions.  No one thinks that taking drugs or drinking to excess during pregnancy is a good idea — though it is worth repeated reminding that the crack baby myth is just that, a myth.  As far as I’m aware, there’s no one out there who opposes finding ways to prevent negative effects from exposure to addictive substances in the womb — and quite often those looking at prevention do so not only because of concern over infants, but because of the fact that women taking the substances are experiencing negative effects, too.

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Reply #1 • Jul 20, 2009  07:20 PM
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I can see this is a topic that may be before it’s time or behind it’s time..not sure which…I know the topic brings up visions of Nazi Germany..perhaps it’s a subject not to be discussed in this forum or at all…Touchy I know..I know I’m not the only one out there who has an opinion..

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Reply #2 • Jul 20, 2009  07:28 PM
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This issue is exactly like the death penalty. If a government or a society can decide who can’t have a child, they’ll be a step closer to deciding who can have children.

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Reply #3 • Jul 20, 2009  08:33 PM
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I hear ya Waffles…Let me tell you a quick story..

A 20 year old woman who has a crack and alcohol problem, she;s been diagnosed bi polar and mentally disabled….the intelligence of a 7 year old..this is her 3rd child she’s pregnant with..the other children are in a state facility suffering from physical and mental problems…

Do you allow this woman with the IQ of a 7 year old to continue to procreate?

and do you want to take care of her disabled children?..

We don’t let 7 year olds have sex and procreate ..why would we let her?

Unfortunately this is a very common scenario…

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Reply #4 • Jul 20, 2009  10:12 PM
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But the solution isn’t fascistic mandatory sterilization, which could easily spiral out of control, it’s better mental health care and monitoring.
For someone who so greatly despises the heavy hand of the Bush administration I would think this would be elementary.

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Reply #5 • Jul 20, 2009  10:26 PM
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Richey just wants a world where he says what goes. You take the good with the bad, man.

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Reply #6 • Jul 20, 2009  10:27 PM
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Richey just wants a world where everyone knows he’s worked in mental hospitals for 30 years.


We got it man. You’ve been in health care. for awhile. check.

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Reply #7 • Jul 20, 2009  10:28 PM
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Reply #8 • Jul 20, 2009  10:28 PM
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mister waffles - 20 July 2009 10:26 PM

Richey just wants a world where he says what goes. You take the good with the bad, man.

...to be more accurate, richy doesnt deeply contemplate the many potential long-term implications of the many wacky ideas that flutter across his consciousness before he decides he has indeed stumbled across a Great Idea…

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Reply #9 • Jul 20, 2009  10:30 PM
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bobaloo - 20 July 2009 10:12 PM

But the solution isn’t fascistic mandatory sterilization, which could easily spiral out of control, it’s better mental health care and monitoring.

Absolutely. Along with mental health care (maybe bobo you were inferring some of this) there also needs to be continued parent behavior management training, nutritional education, education on the psychotropic medications children are taking and education on their child’s diagnosis.
In my view, there needs to be a shift from solely treating the child who is in the most trouble (often the trigger to get a parent into legal trouble themselves) and move to a family approach. You can keep sending the child away to a group home, JDC or the street, but when they reunite with the family…and it’s the same situation…how could you expect to the child to change?

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Reply #10 • Jul 20, 2009  10:31 PM
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mister waffles - 20 July 2009 10:26 PM

Richey just wants a world where he says what goes. You take the good with the bad, man.

...to be more accurate, richy doesnt deeply contemplate the many potential long-term implications of the many wacky ideas that flutter across his consciousness before he decides he has indeed stumbled across a Great Idea…

This was a topic in one of my psych classes circa 1958.  It’s basically been ruled out in the US.

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oh, no, sir, poorly thought-out ideas are still thriving in the usofa.

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Reply #12 • Jul 21, 2009  11:14 AM
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tatuaje - 20 July 2009 10:27 PM

Richey just wants a world where everyone knows he’s worked in mental hospitals for 30 years.

We got it man. You’ve been in health care. for awhile. check.

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(Just keeping the meme alive.)

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Reply #13 • Jul 21, 2009  01:45 PM
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DS;YIMTL

(Just keeping the meme alive.)

I’m not sure what that meant Steve..

Anyway yea yea old blowhard bragging about his years of experience in the mental health system..wisdom takes a terrible toll on ya..bla bla..bla…

Compulsory Sterilization? Ugly subject I know..dealt with the same ” don’t want to really deal with this, lets just lock these undesirables up,and not talk about it so much and eventually it will get better”...

Not so my head in the sand friends…The mental hospitals and prisons fill up and eventually cause a huge suck on the economy..not to mention the horrible toll it takes on the correctional officers, nurses and support staff that care for the unwanted children…

On a positive note California that has 175,000 folks locked up and can’t get enough correctional officers to take care of it’s huge incarcerated population..their starting pay is 75,000 a year and with plenty of over time you can clear 110,000 a year ..that’s doctor money journalism majors..

think of the amazing book you can write after tending to the rapists , child molesters and serial killers..you could retire to Mexico in a couple of years..amazing retirement plan..

..also they’re having trouble getting nurses to take care of the heavily medicated inmates..there’s big money to be made there in the land of Arnold..lots of over time…

Hey what do you guys think of offering drug addicts money to tie their tubes? ( see the above post ..they’re paying folks 300 bucks in Tennessee)..

My wife who works in one of the State Facilities taking care of our drug addicts and develop- mentally disabled thinks it’s a great idea.

But then again she has to stare those folks in the face everyday and has to share in their lives of despair and pain..

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Reply #14 • Jul 21, 2009  01:50 PM
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Dear Sir; You Incite Me To Laughter*

Meme (from wiki)**

A meme (pronounced /ˈmiːm/, rhyming with “cream”[1]), is a postulated unit or element of cultural ideas, symbols or practices, and is transmitted from one mind to another through speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena. (The etymology of the term relates to the Greek word mimema for “something imitated”.)[2]

Hey what do you guys think of offering drug addicts money to tie their tubes? ( see the above post ..they’re paying folks 300 bucks in Tennessee)..

That’s an intriguing idea with multiple possible implications, both good and bad.

 

* http://www.mountainx.com/forums/viewthread/1011/#15779

**That’s is called “Attributing a source”

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Steve Shanafelt - 21 July 2009 11:14 AM

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