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Reply #16 • Oct 10, 2009  01:28 PM
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I don’t have a problem with an idea of a higher order of consciousness. We have a totally different scale of understanding of the world (and reality in general) than the next-most intelligent creatures we know of, for instance. But I’ve never seen any meaningful evidence that would suggest there’s one all-powerful being out there, that this being is responsible for creating the universe, that it cares about everything that happens everywhere all the time, that it has some greater plan for this creation, and that by doing (or not doing) certain things I’m more likely to curry its favor.

And in the absence of evidence—or even something that meets the basic requirements of the burden of proof—I’m definitely in the “nope” school of thought when it comes to a deity-like higher power being involved in the human experience.

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Reply #17 • Oct 10, 2009  01:54 PM
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i didnt say anything about a diety being involved in daily human affairs, or anything of that nature.

 
Reply #18 • Oct 10, 2009  03:51 PM
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pfff - 10 October 2009 01:54 PM

i didnt say anything about a diety being involved in daily human affairs, or anything of that nature.

I know. I was just clarifying my exact position on the subject. I don’t believe in one in the sense of faith, but I think something that could be described as a “higher power” is certainly a possibility. I haven’t seen any evidence for such a thing, but I don’t think it’s impossible in scientific terms. As long as we mean “a conscious force or entity which is more powerful than humans,” I have no problem with the idea of a “higher power.”

We kind of have to define our terms, though. There’s a great Fred Hoyle book called The Black Cloud which is about a gigantic cloud of stellar dust that nearly kills all life on Earth. It turns out to be a sentient being which didn’t even realize Earth was inhabited, since all of the life it has encountered has existed at a completely different scale. It sounds like goofy sci-fi, but it’s totally grounded in hard science, if extremely unlikely. But that’s certainly a higher power.

(Edited: 10 October 2009 04:05 PM by Steve Shanafelt)
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Reply #19 • Oct 10, 2009  04:03 PM
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So, do you have a relationship with a “Higher Power” of your own definition?

Or are you too busy complaining about the fundamentalists version?

 
Reply #20 • Oct 10, 2009  04:08 PM
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pfff - 10 October 2009 04:03 PM

So, do you have a relationship with a “Higher Power” of your own definition?

Or are you too busy complaining about the fundamentalists version?

No. Like I said, I have no reason to believe there is one, and quite a lot of reason to believe there isn’t.

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Reply #21 • Oct 10, 2009  04:41 PM
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..and quite a lot of good reasons to complain about the fundamentalists.

 
Reply #22 • Oct 10, 2009  05:33 PM
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Please don’t tell me you believe in fundamentalists.

 
Reply #23 • Oct 10, 2009  09:51 PM
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If it turns out that there is a God, I don’t think that he’s evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he’s an underachiever. Woody Allen

I hope one day to meet Steve..perhaps in the after life..would be weird fun..

I know. I was just clarifying my exact position on the subject. I don’t believe in one in the sense of faith, but I think something that could be described as a “higher power” is certainly a possibility.

A small excerpt from “Steves Honeymoon” a ..straight to DVD release..

Steve’s Wife: Are you ready to make love?

Steve: It’s possible I could be aroused.

Steve’s Wife: Aren’t you horny?

Steve:I haven’t seen any evidence for such a thing, but I don’t think it’s impossible in scientific terms. As long as we mean “a conscious force or entity which is more powerful than relaxation,” I have no problem with the idea of being horny.”

Steve’s Wife: Baby can’t you see I’m hot?

Steve: We kind of have to define our terms. There’s a great Fred Hoyle book called The Black Cloud which is about a gigantic cloud of stellar dust that nearly kills all life on Earth. It turns out to be a sentient being which didn’t even realize Earth was inhabited, since all of the life it has encountered has existed at a completely different scale. It sounds like goofy sci-fi, but it’s totally grounded in hard science, if extremely unlikely. But that’s certainly hot. Darling are you awake?

Steves Wife: ZZZZZZZZZ

(Edited: 10 October 2009 09:54 PM by richey)
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Reply #24 • Oct 11, 2009  01:07 PM
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The above poster is not me..I would never make fun of Steve Shanafelts wedding night..even I wouldn’t sink that low..I believe this was Piffy or Bugg or Baballooee. or BreBro..or it could be Steve’s evil twin Stevey..playing a joke on him..on me and the entire forum community..sorry Steve ..we’re still good?


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Have we not come to such an impasse in the modern world that we must love our enemies - or else? The chain reaction of evil - hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars - must be broken, or else we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Reply #25 • Oct 11, 2009  02:01 PM
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I can’t believe my honeymoon tape was leaked ... That’s what I get for hiring a non-union cameraman.

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Reply #26 • Oct 11, 2009  02:47 PM
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Why We Need a New Jesus
Searching for the real Jesus has been a growth industry and an obsession for several decades now. We read about “discovering” the tomb of Joseph and Mary the way medieval pilgrims heard that the head of John the Baptist had just surfaced in a French cathedral. The difference is that modern Christians want scientific, historical proof that Jesus walked the earth, and for many believers such proof supports their conviction that the New Testament is literally true in every detail.

Yet in almost every respect the hunt for the real Jesus is misguided. To begin with, there are two conflicting versions of Jesus, neither of which can be unearthed in an archeological dig. The first Jesus is the historical rabbi who wandered the northern shores of Galilee two thousand years ago. His public career lasted no more than three years, scholars inform us, and may have been as brief as eighteen months. The first Jesus disappeared in the shifting sands of time, leaving barely a footprint in history.

Yet so great was his impact that a second Jesus arose almost immediately, the Jesus of theology – the Son of God, the Holy Spirit. Anointed as Christ, he became the unwitting origin of a religion that has proliferated into more than 20,000 sects. The second Jesus was created by organized religion and cannot be approached without bushwhacking through the thickets of theology.

Many believers are satisfied with one or the other Jesus, and yet millions are not. They have witnessed their faith being hijacked by rigid fundamentalism. A teaching of love and peace has been perverted to justify war and bigotry. These deeply disturbing trends speak of a single radical need: the need for a new Jesus. In particular, there’s a hunger that has existed as long as the Church itself, which is a hunger to relate to Jesus personally. Although not raised as a Christian, I went to a Catholic-run missionary school in India and fell under the romantic spell of a universal Savior. I wanted to know, as anyone would, how to fulfill Jesus’s promise that the Kingdom of Heaven is within.

That desire lingered over the years, until it occurred to me that Jesus can be taken as a savior without being the savior. He can be accepted as a teacher speaking directly to me in the present moment. Such a teacher needs to cause total personal transformation. What Jesus envisioned was a world ruled by God, which cannot occur unless human nature changes radically. In everyday life Jesus’s teachings are impossible to follow. Ordinary awareness doesn’t permit us to follow the Golden Rule. If we treated everyone else the way we wanted to be treated, there would be no wars, crime, or divorce. If we obeyed the injunction to resist not evil, all too probably the world’s evil-doers would run amok.

What this implies is that there was a third Jesus, a teacher of higher consciousness. He wanted to raise his followers to the same level of God consciousness that he was in. Only then is Christian doctrine livable. If that sounds like blasphemy, consider John 10:34. The priests in the Temple wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy when he claimed to be the Son of God, and he gave a startling reply: Jesus answered, ‘Is it not written in your law,” I said, you are gods”? He quotes Psalms 82 to argue that if scripture makes everyone a god, he cannot be blaspheming to make the same claim for himself. In many other places Jesus calls his disciples “the light of the world,” and he promises that they will perform miracles greater than his.

Years ago I ran across a book that intrigued me called “Be Your Own Guru.” In a liberated age, that’s an enticing offer. However, your personal vision must come from a deeper value structure – call it myth, archetype, or the wisdom tradition – and Jesus stands as one of the high peaks of that invisible structure. God-consciousness will never perish. Since Jesus once embodied God-consciousness, he is keeping it alive at this moment, offering to teach the way to anyone who wants to find it.

Deepak Chopra is founder of the Chopra Center for Wellbeing in California. Chopra’s Wellness Radio airs weekly on Sirius Satellite Stars. He is president and founder of the Alliance for a New Humanity. He has written more than 50 books, including his latest, “The Third Jesus: The Christ We Cannot Ignore.” Go here to read an excerpt.

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Reply #27 • Oct 11, 2009  03:01 PM
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Reply #28 • Oct 12, 2009  02:13 PM
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Ralph Roberts - 10 October 2009 05:33 PM

Please don’t tell me you believe in fundamentalists.

 

It seems that there is an imposter using my copyrighted photo and as close to my name as you can get?

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Reply #29 • Oct 12, 2009  02:20 PM
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And speaking more like you than you.

Very confusing.

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Reply #30 • Oct 12, 2009  02:47 PM
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It seems that there is an imposter using my copyrighted photo and as close to my name as you can get?

It ain’t me..I barely have one identity..

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Have we not come to such an impasse in the modern world that we must love our enemies - or else? The chain reaction of evil - hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars - must be broken, or else we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

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