...who are merely paid fools for the usual Monsanto gangsters.
So, I’m reading up on this “Golden Rice” thing, that is a GMO rice that is supposed to have Vitamin A in it to help the poor people in southeast Asia who apparently are going blind due to vitamin a deficiency. And then a few days later, i’m reading a bit about Palm Oil, and come to find out, palm oil is super-high in assimilable Vitamin A. “Hey, hold on a minute”, i think to myself. Don’t people in Southeast Asia eat Palm Oil a lot? Yep, they sure do.
So, in my eyes, this is yet another great example of the total fraud that is GMO, and how these freaking scientist GMO dudes have such narrow bodies of knowledge that they completely miss the big picture. i mean, if there is a readily-available, inexpensive source of beta carotene already in southeast asia, why do we need Golden Rice, again?
I’ve read a handful of articles on Golden Rice, and none seem to even mention this. So, am i missing something, or is this little bit of information totally separated from this particular debate?
it the reward for scientists that understand solving problems that don’t exist
is far more lucrative and creates this thing they call - massive sums of money
Palm oil is the most produced vegetable oil in the world but its uses are more industrial than culinary. It isn’t a major food oil. Over half of the world’s vegetable oil consumption is soy oils followed by a host of others. This doesn’t even include animal oils, which my 2 years living, eating and cooking in Thailand saw good ol’ hog oil as the lipid of choice. Better flavor.
Also, golden rice really doesn’t exist yet as a food stuff in any quantity. All that being said, I’ve tried to not eat plastic food—if it doesn’t exist in nature it may not be a good idea to eat it. Margarine, saccharin, aspartame, etc readily come to mind.
Didn’t go to band camp but the old adage “Follow the money” is most always correct when ferreting out motivations for just about anything.
For me, the point is, i was reading numerous articles that were discussion this issue, and NOT ONE mentioned that Palm Oil was an already available, commonly used source of Vitamin A.
Is that from a wiki source? Again, palm oil isn’t the major lipid consumed by humans. Look further. Palm oil is predominately used in industry and as a biofuel. It’s major hazard is the deforestation that occurs in Malaysia and other places to install palm oil plantations. Also, it’s the less common red palm oil that is rich in beta carotene.
GMO’s I agree with you on—i don’t trust them. and, again, from personal experience in SE Asia, palm oil isn’t the lipid of choice. Africa has a larger consumption of palm oil.
Is your beef with GMO’s in general? If so, we agree.
Indeed, you should read your little blue clickers more critically. from your source, which says it a common cooking oil, blah, blah, blah, thr wiki source that statement was pulled from (7) doesn’t support those words. the original source (7) says something quite different. It mentions the rising consumption of palm oils, yes it does, but consumption doesn’t mean dietary. It includes industrial use which is the major use of palm oil. It’s “consumption is projected to rise if soy/palm prices continue to favor palm oil. Here is reference (7) from your wiki source: http://www.fas.usda.gov/oilseeds/circular/2006/06-06/Junecov.pdf
It mentions the rising consumption of palm oils, yes it does, but consumption doesn’t mean dietary
So, what you are saying is, when they say people are using it as a “common cooking oil”, they really mean it’s being used as fuel in cars? Read the link again, sillywilly topix troll
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“Palm oil is a very common cooking ingredient in southeast Asia and the tropical belt of Africa. Its increasing use in the commercial food industry in other parts of the world is buoyed by its cheaper pricing[7] and the high oxidative stability of the refined product[8][9].”
Indeed, you should read your little blue clickers more critically. from your source, which says it a common cooking oil, blah, blah, blah, thr wiki source that statement was pulled from (7) doesn’t support those words. the original source (7) says something quite different. It mentions the rising consumption of palm oils, yes it does, but consumption doesn’t mean dietary. It includes industrial use which is the major use of palm oil. It’s “consumption is projected to rise if soy/palm prices continue to favor palm oil. Here is reference (7) from your wiki source: http://www.fas.usda.gov/oilseeds/circular/2006/06-06/Junecov.pdf
Boy, you really like to latch on to something even when you are very wrong, dont you. my point is that People eat a lot fo palm oil in southeast asia. You provided a link showing that palm oil “Consumption” (ie for biofuels and solvents) is on the increase, but this IN NO WAY contradicts the assertion that is is a VERY COMMON cooking oil in the region. I’d be more than willing to concede being wrong, but you really havent done this yet. Instead, you’ve veered off into outerspace in an attempt to avoid admitting to your own incorrect-ness. It’s okay, i’ve read the tripe you post on topix, i know that facts routinely elude you.
Your original post concerning GMO’s and the dangers they sometimes inflict upon us is correct. But, you used faulty logic to bolster it. You didn’t need to do that. If you cannot see that, that is your problem. As for me and facts, one day you may have the wisdom to see beyond your youth-like zeal (my guess is you’re under 30) and learn to read more critically and beyond one source that merely appears to support your claims. I think you’ll make it, though, through sheer tenacity and trial and error.
By the way, the origins of the golden rice project were to combat vitamin A deficiencies in Africa and south Asia (Indian sub-continent) not SE Asia where foods rich in beta-carotene are abundant and cheap.
Your original post concerning GMO’s and the dangers they sometimes inflict upon us is correct.
Actually, in my original post, and in every subsequent one, I was trying to make the point about this specific aspect of the issue. I never really made any large point about GMO’s and the dangers they inflict upon us. I just found it fascinating that what seemed to me to be a fairly large piece of information was left out of the dialogue that i had heard and read as of late.
But, you used faulty logic to bolster it. You didn’t need to do that. If you cannot see that, that is your problem. As for me and facts, one day you may have the wisdom to see beyond your youth-like zeal (my guess is you’re under 30) and learn to read more critically and beyond one source that merely appears to support your claims. I think you’ll make it, though, through sheer tenacity and trial and error.
This all pure hurbis and nonsense. What ‘faulty logic’ have i used? As for the issue of people who bring this particular whipper-snapper axe to grind to the interwebs, i would love to start another thread about it somewhere. it might prove to be a fascinating topic.
By the way, the origins of the golden rice project were to combat vitamin A deficiencies in Africa and south Asia (Indian sub-continent) not SE Asia where foods rich in beta-carotene are abundant and cheap.
What? Directly from the Goldenrice website: “VAD is most severe in Southeast Asia and Africa.”
Also, Palm Oil is readily consumed in africa as well.
I’m not really sure what you think you are taking exception with in my first post. Are you saying they don’t consume Palm Oil in that region of the world? Because you havent proved that at all. Instead you’ve just proved that is used as both a food, all around the world, as well as an industrial lubricant and fuel, all points i have never argued against.
Weren’t you the one who liked to use the word “Quibble”? You may wish to look it up.
As for your beef with Wiki, that would appear to be your own political axe to grind, and you seem very capable of using it as the source reference it is meant to be used as. I have made no implications that Wiki is any sort of end-all-be-all for information, but none of the information i have cited here has been proven to be untrue, so your point seems incredibly off-topic, as per yer usual track record
Thanx for clearing that up. I don’t know how the world has missed your incisive, on-point discourse. I’ll call the Presnit immediately and have him add you to his czar list.
Would you like to be czar of boards? It appears to be your calling. No one else has the time or inclination to fill that void. We are humbled by your presence.
it the reward for scientists that understand solving problems that don’t exist
is far more lucrative and creates this thing they call - massive sums of money
you should have learned this at band camp
i was never talented enough for band camp.
The point that has always struck me the most about GMO and most world-wide agriculture/food issues is how incredibly limited the ‘experts’ in the field are. There was an interesting protest a few years ago at a GMO conference in San Francisco, where folks paid to open a local produce stand in the GMO convention center, to try and help these over-specialized scientists types get how misled they are about the nature of the problems and solutions. (i searched around to find the link, but havent found it).
I think this may be a the part where the anti GMO folks are a bit wrong in their approach. i mean, yes, Mansanto and the like are motivated by money and the political implications of controlling food to the degree gmo tech will allow. But i think the worker bees in the equation are the ones who could maybe be shown the light. Of course, isnt that the case with just about anything in sciences—the drones in their labs may be well-intentioned if not woefully misinformed,, but the ones pulling the strings are the ones with grand plans of world domination.
