The two candidates sat down separately with Rick Warren the other night and from my certainly unbiased opinion, Obama fell on his face with a a segment of the electorate he is going to have to carry in order to be Prez. McCain on the other hand hammered home a sensible portrait of a man desirable to be Prez.
I think the Obamensch is starting to look real tarnished to a lot of people. Imagine that!
I watched it and saw McCain playing well to an electorate he already has, the uncomplicated Goddies who like the ideas of Anti-abortion and and listening to more stories about his war years. Yay to offshore drilling and spanking Russia’s behind over efforts to profit from the Georgian–Ossetian conflict! And the whole “Define rich question” was plenty telling. Obama answered it, $250,000. McCain, who didn’t want to answer the question really, hemmed and hawed about the richness in our lives, switching to small businesses, then on to bizarre complaints about a government take-over of the healthcare system. And then he had to mention Bear DNA. Huh? Well, he said defines it as $5 million.
I thought Barry Obama was thoughtful and meaningful and McCain sounded like a bunch of bumper stickers - but the RIGHT bumperstickers for this audience. And just the right number of the spoken phrase ‘My friends.’
And my opinion was also colored from the beginning, too. :)
Obama’s biggest problem is that he’s Obama and is making the election about his messianic personality.
Both major political parties seem hell bent on always nominating flawed personalities but, for the past several election cycles, the Democrats have won the contest of nominating the worse possible guy and thus lost the election (except for Clinton, flawed but overriding his flaws at first, then indulging himself in them).
We really ought to hit BOTH parties with a class action suit for putting forth such pathetic choices.
With that being said, I like Obama. He’s the first candidate in a while that I’m excited about. It has nothing to do with any of that messianic bullshit that people are attributing him with having. I just find him to be a genuine person with some good things to say, and he’s not wrapping himself up in a load of bullshit like we’ve endured for the last 8 years.
Obama’s biggest problem is that he’s Obama and is making the election about his messianic personality.
Both major political parties seem hell bent on always nominating flawed personalities but, for the past several election cycles, the Democrats have won the contest of nominating the worse possible guy and thus lost the election (except for Clinton, flawed but overriding his flaws at first, then indulging himself in them).
We really ought to hit BOTH parties with a class action suit for putting forth such pathetic choices.
No excuse for it.
Can’t disagree more from the messianic personality down to the worst possible guy crack. Now about nominating flawed personalities, what do you expect? It takes a flawed individual to have the drive and ego to reach for the top rung of the political ladder. I doubt any of us common folks have a clue. That being said, it’s the individuals intelligence and vision that counts for a lot more than some personality trait you may not cotton to. I believe us Monday morning quarterbacks are, by in large, full of malarkey if we pretend we can evaluate a man before he’s done the job. Hell, I even gave the cowboy the benefit of the doubt till he proved he didn’t deserve it.
I agree, TomH. The scrutiny that we place on these candidates ends up going waaay beyond policy and ability to lead. And the media doesn’t help much either with their Paris Hilton mentality and editing interviews like CBS’ Katie Couric McCain’s ‘misstatement’ and putting cartoon version of Obama on the cover as a terrorist.
To be in politics isn’t just about wanting the best for people, it’s about getting credit for it and the power that goes with it.
The two candidates sat down separately with Rick Warren the other night and from my certainly unbiased opinion, Obama fell on his face with a a segment of the electorate he is going to have to carry in order to be Prez. McCain on the other hand hammered home a sensible portrait of a man desirable to be Prez.
I think the Obamensch is starting to look real tarnished to a lot of people. Imagine that!
Even though I rarely agree with you, travelah, I’m glad you’re posting on the forums. We need people from the other side of the issue to keep this from becoming a leftist slumber party.
Obama biggest problem is that he’s Obama and is making the election about his messianic personality.
Both major political parties seem hell bent on always nominating flawed personalities but, for the past several election cycles, the Democrats have won the contest of nominating the worse possible guy and thus lost the election (except for Clinton, flawed but overriding his flaws at first, then indulging himself in them).
We really ought to hit BOTH parties with a class action suit for putting forth such pathetic choices.
No excuse for it.
First of all Obama is not making this election about his messianic qualities, his opponents are characterizing the attendance at his rallies and the excitement of his followers in that way. If the press chooses to use those descriptives you can’t blame him ... JSM and his slogans can’t seem to generate more than a yawn most of the time ....
I can’t disagree more about the quality of candidates both parties have put into office ... The Republicans have proved they are eager to put a complete incompetent in the white house and let him steer us into the mess that is the current state of our union.
Winning doesn’t define the quality of a candidate, it is the job they do while in office ....
With that being said, I like Obama. He’s the first candidate in a while that I’m excited about. It has nothing to do with any of that messianic bullshit that people are attributing him with having. I just find him to be a genuine person with some good things to say, and he’s not wrapping himself up in a load of bullshit like we’ve endured for the last 8 years.
I can’t agree more. I think this statement is correct and representative of the voices you are hearing around the country in support of Obama....
I will admit that until this election I had given up any hope that a leader would rise from the masses who actually stirred some hope. I remain, however, a confirmed skeptic. I will cast my vote for Obama with no expectations. Hopefully he will be able to rally support in Congress for some much needed legislation to begin undoing the damage done by Neoconservatism. The exportation of democracy at the point of a gun just ain’t gonna work folks. Iraq, in any case, needs a very strong central government, perhaps stronger than any so called democracy will allow.
I never quite understood how Bush sold his preppy butt to the American people under the guise of a good ole boy. Oh, now I recall, he was part of that movie “Revenge of the Nerds” starring Carl Rove as head nerd.
The two candidates sat down separately with Rick Warren the other night and from my certainly unbiased opinion, Obama fell on his face with a a segment of the electorate he is going to have to carry in order to be Prez. McCain on the other hand hammered home a sensible portrait of a man desirable to be Prez.
I think the Obamensch is starting to look real tarnished to a lot of people. Imagine that!
Even though I rarely agree with you, travelah, I’m glad you’re posting on the forums. We need people from the other side of the issue to keep this from becoming a leftist slumber party.
You folks need someone to bring you back to reality once in a while. North Carolina is likely to vote for McCain, especially western NC. WNC overall voted for Clinton and not Obama. WNC overall is far more conservative than your small enclave of leftist, liberals, misguided youthful idealists and transplanted geezer activists. It’s that touch of reality that provided a tad bit softer landing in 2000 and 2004 when your hopes went up in the flames of the real world view. Hopefully, we realists can offer the same condolences to you in November 2008 as well. If not, we can sit back and watch what happens when the American people realize what they will get having elected the Obamensch. On the other hand, if the radicals in Congress get enough seats to override Senate filibusters, it will not matter who is President. Then, we can watch the polorization magnify and observe the destruction of the Democrat Party ... winners all around, we are. ... but I’m glad you oppose censorship of the boards otherwise there would be darkness all around :)
... but I’m glad you oppose censorship of the boards otherwise there would be darkness all around :)
Without differing opinions, there’s really not much point to having a discussion. I like spirited debate, and as long as no one takes any of it too personally and everyone at least makes a good-faith attempt to play by the same ground rules, there’s no reason it can’t benefit all of us.
Has anyone seen how people redefine terms to suit their perspective? For example, Democrat is taken to mean liberal which is taken to mean leftie. So what does that make conservative Republicans, fascists? I believe firmly in the notion that labels tend to separate. They are convenient catch phrases or words to denote contempt. You can really start off a conversation with a bang by insulting a few people.
