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Palin as McCain’s VP - smart gamble?
 
Reply #16 • Aug 29, 2008  02:01 PM
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bobaloo - 29 August 2008 01:00 PM
TomH - 29 August 2008 12:49 PM
bobaloo - 29 August 2008 12:44 PM

You know who she reminds me of? A cross between Marg in Fargo and Tina Fey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5J98Rnft9s

She kind of turns me on but that won’t get her my vote.  I am a face man above all.  Married one of the prettiest girls around and that’s no joke.  Picture provided upon request. 

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Reply #17 • Aug 29, 2008  02:01 PM
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In a very strange way I wonder if John was secretly thinking of the number 3 when he made his choice ...  I will admit she does have that poor man’s Tina Fey thing going on ...

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Reply #18 • Aug 29, 2008  06:18 PM
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TomH - 29 August 2008 11:06 AM

I disagree totally.  This is a half baked attempt to attract Clinton voters.  It’s not going to work, she’s far too conservative to substitute for Ms Clinton.  Be that as it may, just tune in and listen to the political wags running their mouths endlessly.

Palin, 44, who’s in her first term as governor, is a pioneering figure in Alaska, the first woman and the youngest person to hold the state’s top political job.

She catapulted to the post with a strong reputation as a political outsider, forged during her stint in local politics. She was mayor and a council member of the small town of Wasilla and was chairman of the state Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska’s oil and gas resources, in 2003 and 2004.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

I’ll say one thing, she’s prettier than Hillary but...yes it is a major gamble that McCain is going to lose.  My condolences, all you Republicans but it’s time for change and she ain’t it.  Cannot wait to see her face Joe Biden in a debate.  should be a real winner.  moskingqa5.gif

No, Tom. This will pull in Independent voters.

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Reply #19 • Aug 29, 2008  06:36 PM
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It’s a smart move by McCain’s camp, certainly. Obama’s reluctance to bring Clinton on board gave them a great opening, at least in the short term, and they were canny enough to take it. It comes across as blatant pandering to me—a desperate attempt to grab a demographic currently peeved at Obama—but that doesn’t mean it won’t work.

The real question is how Palin will do under pressure. She’s not nationally known, and in order to use her effectively, they’ll have to convince swing voters that she’s a worthy back-up president. If she buckles during the debates, for instance, this could completely backfire on McCain profoundly. It’ll look like he picked her because she’s young and female, not because she’s knowledgeable or a good leader, and that could alienate the very demographic he’s wooing. Or maybe she’ll be great. Either way, this is turning out to be a very interesting election.

I think we’ll see the wisdom of the Obama camp when it comes to the debates, though. Biden is a sharp guy, and I suspect he’ll rip right through pretty much anyone he’d be up against, particularly someone fairly new to the game like Palin.

 
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travelah - 29 August 2008 06:18 PM


No, Tom. This will pull in Independent voters.

Could be, but people are going to look very closely at her, 44, little experience, what if McCain, a known health risk, should pop off in a year?  Shes a zero as far as the international scene is concerned. Do people really want a hockey mom with five kids from a small state (population) suddenly being thrust onto center stage?  I think not. 

Biden, on the other hand, is liked by both sides of the aisle and If he, by horrible chance, had to take the job...well LBJ got more accomplished than his predecessor and probably never would have been elected himself.  Never can tell.  Often the job makes the man or womb-man, if you will.  Of course, it’s a gamble, could be just the opposite.

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Reply #21 • Aug 29, 2008  07:31 PM
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He should have just made the leap and chosen Tina Fey to begin with ...
she is funny and disarming and hotter than hell .....

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Reply #22 • Aug 29, 2008  10:21 PM
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tattttms - 29 August 2008 07:31 PM

He should have just made the leap and chosen Tina Fey to begin with ...
she is funny and disarming and hotter than hell .....

I’ve never found Tina Fey funny. Cute? Kinda. But not funny.

I think the odds of this backfiring are pretty good when the debates start. It may win McCain a few votes from a very vocal group of women who just want to see any female in a position of power, and that may include some disenfranchised Clinton supporters, but I’m guessing that pool is rather small. It will play well in the media for the next few weeks for McCain, but I have a hard time seeing it impact much on election day.

Unless Palin is charismatic enough to convince voters on her own, that is. I’m not getting that impression, though. It’s looking like McCain picked a woman to pander to a perceived demographic, and that it was the only motivation behind naming her as a running mate. And youth, I guess, but it’s not like Obama can really have the age card played on him. So, she’ll really have to wow voters. She’s got her work cut out for her; I’ve been reading up on her, and she’s hardly in possession of an impressive political and administrative background.

 
Reply #23 • Aug 29, 2008  10:37 PM
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I think the odds of this backfiring are pretty good when the debates start. It may win McCain a few votes from a very vocal group of women who just want to see any female in a position of power, and that may include some disenfranchised Clinton supporters, but I’m guessing that pool is rather small. It will play well in the media for the next few weeks for McCain, but I have a hard time seeing it impact much on election day.

Unless Palin is charismatic enough to convince voters on her own, that is. I’m not getting that impression, though. It’s looking like McCain picked a woman to pander to a perceived demographic, and that it was the only motivation behind naming her as a running mate. And youth, I guess, but it’s not like Obama can really have the age card played on him. So, she’ll really have to wow voters. She’s got her work cut out for her; I’ve been reading up on her, and she’s hardly in possession of an impressive political and administrative background.

I really think you’re taking a terribly simplistic view of this, as are many liberals that view Palin as simply a lure to attract the disenfranchised women.
Look at Palin’s social conservative viewpoints: Pro-life, creationist, opposes gay marriage, energy policy and so on. McCain and his entire staff would have to be extremely foolish to base their entire selection on any idea that her gender would lure Democrats.
Keep in mind, he’s also disenfranchised his base via CFR and amnesty. They despise him for that. They loathe him for that. He needed a solid conservative to bolster that base, just as Bush used Cheney to solidify his support. Palin is a solid conservative.
Sure, I think that if Palin had a wiener she would never have been considered. They would have gone with Bobby Jindal in that instance, thus achieving the same aim. But to assume that McCain had a singular purpose in selecting Palin is folly at best.

I suggest you take some time, no matter how distasteful you may find it, to visit some conservative sites and look at their comments concerning Palin. They’re freakin psyched.

 
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I’m sure they are psyched. It’s a smart, unexpected move. But, I have a hard time seeing how Palin will benefit McCain in the general election. She’s not really offering anything as a candidate other than being female and not old. Sure, she’s conservative, but that’s going to cut out a lot of independent voters. That’s cutting people out, not bringing them in. I think it’ll prove to be an interesting, exciting move that ultimately helps McCain lose on election day.

 
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Reply #26 • Aug 30, 2008  05:12 AM
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Obama who?  Just kidding.

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Reply #27 • Aug 30, 2008  02:05 PM
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At first I though Grandpa Munster had nominated Michael Palin (Monty Python’s Flying Circus) and was hopeful, now that he has chosen Sara Palin, here are a couple of observations:
In 2006 she stood side by side with now indicted Alaska Senator Stevens and supported his ill conceived idea of a bridge to nowher, and now she said she never did. I guess her and Mcbush can swap flip flops!
She served as Mayor of Wassilla, Alaska (population about 7000) for four years and as Governatrix of Alaska (pop. 683,478 (2007 est.))for 1 1/2 years. In contrast to that take Mecklenburg Conty, pop. 902,803 and Black Mountain, pop. 7,511. Doesn’t look like she has a lot of experience.
Her stand on women’s rights, the environment, protecting endangered species is dismal to say the least and oh, yeah, she says that humans have not affected global warming.
So lets say Grandpa Munster should one day not be with us any longer and that darn phone rings at 3AM....
How the hell can anyone vote for that ticket???
Palin also faces ethics charges in her home state of Alaska:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-faces-ethics_n_122615.html
but that shouldn’t matter, as repugs aren’t all that concerned about ethics.
Thank’s Senator McCan’t, you done progressive Democrats a favor.
And for the friends ate PETA, she likes fur! Check this link and the pix:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-former-beauty_n_122400.html

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Shocking Choice by John McCain
WASHINGTON-- Senator John McCain just announced his choice for running mate:  Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska.  To follow is a statement by Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund.

“Senator McCain’s choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to continue the Bush legacy of destructive environmental policies.

“Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska’s coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration.

“This is Senator McCain’s first significant choice in building his executive team and it’s a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts in the minds of voters about John McCain’s commitment to conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil.”

http://www.defendersactionfund.org/

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From Maureen Dowd who, despite her growing irrelevance, I still enjoy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31dowd.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&oref=slogin

 
Reply #30 • Aug 31, 2008  06:58 AM
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bobaloo - 30 August 2008 11:03 PM

From Maureen Dowd who, despite her growing irrelevance, I still enjoy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31dowd.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&oref=slogin

works for me.

you can forget Dowd, New Yorkers simply do not understand anything outside New York.

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