tatuaje - 02 November 2008 02:10 PM
TomH - 02 November 2008 12:32 PM
Ralph Roberts - 02 November 2008 12:24 PM
brebro - 02 November 2008 12:23 PM
So George W. Bush and Dick Cheney’s war records (or lack thereof) were much more impressive to you?
Bush served… maybe not very well but he served. Cheney you can have. Please.
It’s not ‘war’ records that are important, it’s _serving_. Many millions of veterans served in peacetime or never left the states ... their service is just as valuable and worthy of respect as those fought in the deserts and jungles and on the oceans and in the air.
Love of country is what counts the most.
Obama does not seem to have that.
So I’m voting for John McCain.
Love of country? Obama doesn’t seem to have that? There are many ways to serve a nation, many ways to show love for your country. Who are you to judge what’s in the man’s heart. I love my country too but I do not love the way our government has behaved in the world nor how some of it’s citizens have behaved and I count it not only as a right but an obligation to speak out when I think something is amiss.
Again, the topic is age in the white house. If we do not police ourselves the long arm of Steve will reach in here and do it.

Wow….I disagree with people on these forums sometimes, but usually it’s just kind of funny. But Ralph, what you have been espousing actually SCARES me. To question someone’s “love of country” based on whether or not they have served in the military strikes me as more than ridiculous….it starts to border on McCarthyism…. Which has now become the conservative right’s main line of attack… For a group to claim to be defenders of patriotism and freedom, they don’t really seem to understand those two concepts…
I have not served in the military, nor will I EVER. I do not believe in killing people except in self defense. This simply comes from my spiritual beliefs. Does this make me unamerican? Am I one of those people that Palin speaks of? That line of thought DISGUSTS me on several different levels….
I also do not like baseball, rarely, if ever, eat apple pie, and I’m not a christian…. Guess what, Ralph…. I love my country, despite people like you….
Oh, and according to Article 2, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, a candidate for President of the USA must be thirty-five…apparently our esteemed founding fathers wouldn’t have thought that the age of 47 to be too young or they would have made 50 the cutoff age….
As far as maturity? Staying above the ugliness of name-calling, patriotism questioning, and christian-right pandering has shown Obama to have maturity in spades…..I’ve got a lot of problems with Obama, but age & maturity are DEFINITELY not among them…. Nor is his “love of country”...
I think i see what ralph is talking about.“Love of country” is that old-tyme Nationalism, right? Yeah, I suppose Obama doesn’t represent that. At least not in the way Bush, and Cheney, and the folks he represents/ed meant it.
See, sometimes I think that “Nationalism” is not really a very good thing. I think it tends to make us blindly follow behind forces that have little to do with us, and much to do with money and profit and ill-begotten gain.
So maybe that’s good that Obama doesnt represent Nationalism. Maybe he represents something resembling Globalism, in the sense of a global order, as in, not rogue nation states run as fronts for Corporations. Maybe he represents that other part of the world, the majority, who are a lot poorer than the small percentage of elites we here in america are led to believe are who we are, even though though most of us are actually relatively quite poor, too.
So, Ralph is right. But he’s probably rotting for the wrong team. or he knows people none of us do. which might be the case.
or maybe obama is really from alaska and is sara palins illegitimate son. damn, i wanna see some hot lesbian love with her and that chick from michagin, whats her name? bachman. yeah, her. that’d be sweet.