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Illinois Culture of Corruption
 
Dec 10, 2008  05:40 PM
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In a town used to entrenched political corruption since the days of Capone, Chicago’s latest political scandal is bazaarly super-corrupt. The governor was arrested by the FBI yesterday and charged with several felonies. One of the things he was trying to do was sell Obama’s senate seat to the highest bidder. Barack is a friend of the governor’s. As he was a friend of Tony Rezko, a man convicted of several political corruption felonies. How much of this is going to rub off on Obama? After all, the press can cover for him only so long. There is so much smoke around Obama and his Chicago democrat machine connections, there must be some fire there. What say you?

 
Reply #1 • Dec 10, 2008  05:45 PM
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I can’t believe the the corruption is so pervasive that they can hold a bazaar to showcase the seats for sale and not worry about getting arrested! What’s wrong with a silent auction??

 
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I hear you dude. I mean in Al capone’s days, it was “keep your mouth shut or else…”. The most silent auction of all? A cement shoed stroll into Lake Michigan.

 
Reply #3 • Dec 10, 2008  05:48 PM
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I’d say that you are blowin smoke up your own hole.

Mr. C, are you related to GOP Vice Chair Rick Jenkins?

Just wondering.

Unless you are a registered Libertarian or Green, your partisan sniping is really substance-less.

Care to go through the laundry list of convicted republicans in the last year, too?

 
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While there is no doubt paths cross in Illinois politics, this is just more partisan attempt to smear the president elect.  In the end it’s of no consequence.  A very hard nosed federal prosecutor who has been investigating this situation for some time now found no indication of any involvement on Obama’s part.

Obama calls on Illinois governor to resign

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/10/obama.blagojevich/

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Reply #5 • Dec 11, 2008  02:55 PM
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Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that Obama had a number of dealings with Gov. Blagojevich, and that some of them were shady. I also don’t think this really means anything, because out political system is deeply corrupt. At a certain level, I suspect that EVERY politician is put in situations where they have to scratch someone else’s back to get what they want. They either do it, or they don’t last very long.

As president, Obama will probably have to make a lot of shady deals, and do a number of technically illegal things to protect the interests of the United States. Clinton did oodles, and he’s largely remembered as a “good” president. Bush did/does the same thing, just less skillfully. All we can really hope for is that when Obama does these things, he does it for the good of the country, rather than the good of a small group of wealthy and powerful people.

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Reply #6 • Dec 11, 2008  05:13 PM
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I disagree, Steve, in that I think bush does them more brazenly, thus lowering the bar for how we view shading dealings in the white house.

 
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It is too early to know the story here but it is surprising that the plug was pulled on this before the actual sale was consummated. There is dirt all over this and it strikes me odd that the arrest occurred now. Obama might come out of this untouched but anybody who thinks a Chicago machine politician like Obama does not have dirty hands here is simply naive. All the same players are involved and it stinks.

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travelah - 11 December 2008 10:42 PM

It is too early to know the story here but it is surprising that the plug was pulled on this before the actual sale was consummated. There is dirt all over this and it strikes me odd that the arrest occurred now. Obama might come out of this untouched but anybody who thinks a Chicago machine politician like Obama does not have dirty hands here is simply naive. All the same players are involved and it stinks.

What your saying makes perfect sense to a right wing politico.  I’m not personally concerned about such things.  Politics is a dirty business.  Even the best of them may have some skeletons in the closet.  Truly one thing we all need to be aware of, our guys do these things too but not to the extent this wacko Governor has.  He may take the prize for the all time worst of the lot. On the other hand, just because you have contacts with such people is no proof of any complicity.  Personally I would rather deal with facts than suppositions coming from political opposites.

The bottom line is, how the man delivers on the job, not how he got there. Enough people trust in Obama’s ability to lead that he obtained one of the largest pluralities in modern times.  My judgment awaits the test of time.  Frankly I’m appalled at the partisan crap that is pouring forth against our president elect even before he has occupied the seat of power.

(Edited: 12 December 2008 09:56 AM by Tom H)
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Reply #9 • Dec 12, 2008  10:45 AM
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TomH - 10 December 2008 06:02 PM

While there is no doubt paths cross in Illinois politics, this is just more partisan attempt to smear the president elect…

Tom, Obama won’t be the President-Elect until Monday when the Electorial College meets. Right now, he’s just the top vote getter. People tend to forget their high school civics lessons on how this republic works.

 
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Ralph Roberts - 12 December 2008 10:45 AM
TomH - 10 December 2008 06:02 PM

While there is no doubt paths cross in Illinois politics, this is just more partisan attempt to smear the president elect…

Tom, Obama won’t be the President-Elect until Monday when the Electorial College meets. Right now, he’s just the top vote getter. People tend to forget their high school civics lessons on how this republic works.

Yeah, whatever. I’m not one of those people, having a BA in history with an emphasis on the US. Civics not withstanding, when was the last time the Electoral College refused to elect the popular choice, especially with the margin of victory he has?

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Reply #11 • Dec 12, 2008  02:42 PM
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Ralph Roberts - 12 December 2008 10:45 AM
TomH - 10 December 2008 06:02 PM

While there is no doubt paths cross in Illinois politics, this is just more partisan attempt to smear the president elect…

Tom, Obama won’t be the President-Elect until Monday when the Electorial College meets. Right now, he’s just the top vote getter. People tend to forget their high school civics lessons on how this republic works.

That would be an excellent way to spark a revolution. None of those folks would last a week if they picked anyone else.

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Reply #12 • Dec 12, 2008  05:39 PM
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I’m not as informed about electoral procedures in this country. When does the part where the Supreme Court decides who really won begin?

 
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I would imagine that Sara Palin is directly connected to Ted Steven’s corruption charges, as well, then.

 
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brebro - 12 December 2008 05:39 PM

I’m not as informed about electoral procedures in this country. When does the part where the Supreme Court decides who really won begin?

about now… there are several cases about Obama’s qualifications going through now. All have been denied so far but some more are in progress.

I doubt SCOTUS really wants to decide the birth certificate thing… Obama’s bigger problem right now is getting sucked down into the Chicago mess.

isn’t politics grand?

 
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brebro - 12 December 2008 05:39 PM

I’m not as informed about electoral procedures in this country. When does the part where the Supreme Court decides who really won begin?

Ha, ha, ain’t gonna happen, not this time.  There was no doubt about this one..  As for any further cases, if information received via various sources be fact, and I have no reason to doubt this, it’s all partisan crap and may never cease as long as he’s in office.  The info I speak of is, the birth certificate is authentic, period!

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