Remember when Cecil and Gordon used to be transparency advocates: http://tinyurl.com/yk54tlp. I’m starting to worry that was just a campaign ploy.

I don’t really understand what the ban on racial profiling and the affirming of civil rights.  It seems as if they’re doing what’s already been done.

And we’re not going buck the feds on national laws pertaining to immigration enforcement or terrorists.  I bet when people said the South would rise again, they didn’t realize the progressives would be leading the charge.

any way you can extend this to county and federal employees who live and work in Asheville?

J - what, exactly, is not transparent about my advancing ideas that I ran on? I said I supported these ideas, now my monthly newsletter lets people know that I’m working on moving those ideas forward.

Hmm. Seem pretty transparent to me.

Oh, also, J.
My proposal on non-participation in local enforcement of federal immigration law is intended to improve local law enforcement, make Asheville safer and not spend local tax money on an unfunded mandate from the feds.

125+ cities in the U.S. have done the same, including 6 in NC.

Cecil,

What say you about the happenings in Frisco? I think that you are being misleading in stating that the “sanctuary city” is all warm and fuzzy and has such overwhelming support:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/us/21sanctuary.html

After reading this article one might think we’re living behind the iron curtain or in some 3rd world one party state. There are rights we all have and there are special rights reserved for the selcted few to be chosen by Mr. Bothwell. How Orwellian government entities are becoming. What’s next the Thought Police and Double Speak?

Cecil,

I just recall some time ago that you and Gordon were both pushing new sunshine laws.  You even went down to County Commission to propose the new policy.  I just wonder why you and Gordon seemed to have let that fall by the wayside.

Is it no longer important?  Did you discover the policy you and Gordon wrote was a bad idea?  Gordon was encouraging people to write City Council in support of the idea, and now…nothing.  At least as far as I can tell from where I stand.  Hopefully I’ve just missed a critical update.

Hey, the City is in a budget short fall.  We have to save money somewhere.  Leaving federal policies to the feds may be a good place to start.  It’s just funny that it’s not the red necks bucking the feds this century.

Thanks for your service, Cecil.

Wow, some people just can’t get over the Civil War.  Get a grip.  You were on the losing side.  The South will rise again when you rednecks realize that y’all had a deal with the devil with matters pertaining to slavery, (no matter how much you want to try to quote the Bible).

“Wow, some people just can’t get over the Civil War.  Get a grip.  You were on the losing side.  The South will rise again when you rednecks realize that y’all had a deal with the devil with matters pertaining to slavery, (no matter how much you want to try to quote the Bible).”

Congrats, stupidest posting of the week!

“The same clause also prohibits city personnel from participating in the programs such as the Terrorism Information and Prevention System (TIPS), asserting that they “encourage members of the general public to spy on their neighbors, colleagues and customers.”

things like this are absolutely necessary.

hkusp, I don’t see anything in that NYT article that suggests the San Francisco system wasn’t working.

Deportation of convicted criminals is an entirely different issue from the matter of targeting people based on race, gender, ethnicity, religion, etc.

And Oneye, if you aren’t included in the protected categories listed in the proposed ordinance, you do not exist. What “selected few” are you talking about?

As for the question of selective enforcement, it is alive and well in this country, and being pulled over for “driving while black” or “driving while Latino” is well documented. I would guess you are white, and like a goldfish which doesn’t understand the concept of water, you are well shielded from understanding white privilege.

WHY would Bothwell seek to allow ILLEGAL Aliens sanctuary?  NO SIR, Mr. Bothwell NO SIR.

Living wages?  why not make them sweeter?  $20-$40 per hour sounds good…MORE?  OK.

Living wage has a good return on investment.  In economies that institute it, there is growth.

I doubt there is any sustainable evidence that “living wage” local economies do anything at all to improve the lot in life for those on the margins. I certainly do not have all the research on this matter but from what I have looked at, I do not see any correlation with the claims of it’s advocates.
Instead of improving the circumstances of the target groups, I believe it keeps them “down on the farm”, just barely able to get by yet having the progressive shill singing in their ears “look at what we did for you ... look at what we did”.

Education and career opportunities are the keys rather than artificially propped up minimum wages.

“Education and career opportunities are the keys rather than artificially propped up minimum wages.”

How do you get that education if you don’t have a living wage?  Especially if you have kids and you’re working crazy hours.  I’m sympathetic to the idea government can’t solve all problems, but I think anyone who is willing to work should be guaranteed a living wage.  That’s not evil big government, that’s a function of a decent society.

Jane, I think Gordon and I are both pretty committed to Government in the Sunshine. It turns out that the City is already pretty much adhering to the proposal that Gordon and I presented to both City and County governments a year or so ago.

We newbies had a meeting with Staff and the Mayor before we were sworn in and, in addition to lots of housekeeping details, we were advised concerning the quorum rule. The state law says we cannot meet in private with a quorum of Council present (i.e. four). However it is the advice of the City Attorney that we avoid meeting privately in groups of three.

The recommendation Gordon and I proposed suggested that we follow Florida’s Sunshine rule which makes ANY meeting between TWO (or more) governing officials a public meeting which must be announced in advance. I have heard in the interim that such a rule is often unwieldy and the question arises, “Can Council members phone or e-mail each other about upcoming issues? Or, is every e-mail necessarily a press release?”

All of that has made me rethink my earlier endorsement of the Florida model. This is not to suggest that I think that policy discussions should be secret, but it does seem that we need to be able to discuss possible ideas on a casual basis.

Speaking for Gordon and I, as long-time bloggers, I think we both put our ideas out in front of the public pretty well. Yes, we exchange some e-mails about the issues we support (and those e-mails are public record now that we are in office), but the substantive discussions will take place in Council or Committee meetings. If there was no give and take between Council members ahead of time, I suspect that Council meetings would be twice as long with no different results.

One very positive change since the election is that we have reinstituted work sessions, where we will be able to more casually discuss ideas. This will not only further City work, but will eliminate some of the need for other contact about matters facing Council.

I know this may look like I have drunk the Kool Aid, but I remain fully committed to transparency.

Angry: “WHY would Bothwell seek to allow ILLEGAL Aliens sanctuary?  NO SIR, Mr. Bothwell NO SIR. “

Very substantive argument there.

Instead of improving the circumstances of the target groups, I believe it keeps them “down on the farm”, just barely able to get by yet having the progressive shill singing in their ears “look at what we did for you ... look at what we did”.

Umm, yeah. paying people more money is totally oppressive, and will most certainly keep people ‘down on the farm’.

I certainly do not have all the research on this matter

No foolin?

How do you get that education if you don’t have a living wage?  Especially if you have kids and you’re working crazy hours.  I’m sympathetic to the idea government can’t solve all problems, but I think anyone who is willing to work should be guaranteed a living wage.  That’s not evil big government, that’s a function of a decent society.

My wife and I worked for squat wages and borrowed what we could not cover to complete our education. We did that while still raising four of our five children (the 5th came after).
Somebody who is willing to work should be paid what the prevailing wage is for the job they have and that is best determined by economic supply and demand curves. If they need more, do a couple of things. Take a second job or look for a better one. In addition, cut your expenses.

Mow, my point is not that people should not earn more. It is that government n any scale is not the solution to improving standards of living for anybody.

Umm, yeah. paying people more money is totally oppressive, and will most certainly keep people ‘down on the farm’.

That is a rather ignorant statement and avoids the point being made. Not much more needs to be stated.

“Mow, my point is not that people should not earn more. It is that government n any scale is not the solution to improving standards of living for anybody.”

It isn’t the solution, but it can be the impetus in stirring the private sector into being more effective.  Perhaps the city could offer tax breaks to Asheville businesses that provide a living wage to employees.  Of course, the city needs every penny right now so that’s not going to happen.

When FDR did the things he did, it ended up making capitalism stronger.

Mow, my point is not that people should not earn more. It is that government n any scale is not the solution to improving standards of living for anybody.

Perhaps one day traveliar will put his money where his mouth is and relocate to Somalia, where there is no government trying to “improve the standards of living for anybody.” Until then, our resident right wing extremist is not to be taken seriously.

It is mind-boggling that someone who has the audacity to call themselves a Christian would be against a living wage. Ironically, the living wage meme is rooted in a Christian tradition, popularized by Pope Leo XIII in the late 1800’s, in response to the extremes of both laissez-faire economics and communism.

traveliar constantly obsesses over the living wage as some kind of compulsory pizza and beer fund for lazy workers, but in reality it is about the importance of employers paying a minimally adequate amount for their workers to have their basic, humane needs met. It is indeed the only Christian thing to do.

Right wing extremists like traveliar just can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that they worship a money-loathing (he turned over the money changers tables for good reason) bleeding heart liberal that forewent possessions, who commanded in absolute terms that you give to EVERYONE who begs from you. Apparently traveliar can’t distinguish Jesus Christ from Donald Trump.

This Christian pays his employees far above what the average Rahmtard in Asheville earns.

A Christian wouldn’t be against paying people a living wage.

Sarah Palin hates you and your constant “‘tard” jokes traveliar.

A Christian wouldn’t be against paying people a living wage.

... er ... well, yeah .. This Christian pays his employees far above what the average Rahmtard in Asheville earns.

i demand mr mallet’s immediate resignation based on his horrible usage of the term ‘tarded. it’s an outrage.

Ironically, the term “Rahmtard” is outright imbecilic. We already established long ago that there is nothing Christian about somebody who spends all day railing against the core teachings of Christ; namely you Mr Mallett. If you honestly think that it is Christian to lobby against fair wages, you are even more astonishingly clueless than I had imagined, and frankly, that is no small task.

Sarah Palin hates you and your ‘tard jokes.

If you honestly think that it is Christian to lobby against fair wages, you are even more astonishingly clueless than I had imagined, and frankly, that is no small task.

... wha ...er ... well, yeah .. This Christian pays his employees far above what the average Rahmtard in Asheville earns.

Yeah, you said that already traveliar. The thing is, that doesn’t change the fact that you constantly lobby against the living wage, which is about as unChristian as could be.

It is sadly pathetic that you are so thoroughly convinced that you are a Christian, but in reality nothing could be farther from the truth. Any way you slice it, Christ was the most famous bleeding heart liberal of all time, and to be a Christian means to aspire to be Christlike, not to rail against his core teachings on a daily basis as you do.

You worship at the alter of bigotry and greed. You may be a lot of things, but you are certainly no Christian. Calling yourself a Christian doesn’t make you one any more than calling yourself a duck would make you one.

You think Christ would call people “Rhamtards” (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean)? You think Christ would be okay with that? Your understanding of Christianity is a joke; you are just too busy always patting yourself on the back about what a good Christian you think you are to notice that fact.

I assume you keep singling out Rham Emanuel in this context, even though I have never heard of a single Democrat who thinks of him as some kind of leader, because Rham is Jewish, and that somehow offends you? Or is your sense of humor just so obtuse that you can’t come up with a joke that is even relevant, let alone funny?

Prostitutes don’t count as employees.

humm ... it’s prolly pretty ‘tarded not to grasp the gooberness of such comments when this Christian pays his employees far above what the average Rahmtard in Asheville earns.

Shad ... I know you learned that the hard way but hopefully you have not made THAT mistake again.

Since there is no such thing as a “Rhamtard,” I do indeed believe you that you pay your employees (probably your own children) more than fictitious characters born out of the imagination of a right-wing extremist that spends all day railing against the core teachings of Christ, ironically calling himself a Christian the whole time. YOu may be a lot of things: a windbag, delusional, unconscionably bigoted, ignorant, and even a bit demented at times, but one thing you certainly are not is a Christian. No amount of church going, and feigned piousness can change that. Again, you seem to have confused Jesus Christ with Donald Trump.