Spot on assessment by Chris Busby. At this point, Hillary would need to win every remaining contest by 91% just to catch up, and that is not going to happen, so Barack Obama is clearly the presumptive nominee of the Democratic party.

A lot of Hillary supporters are going to be disappointed, which is natural because we invest a lot of time, energy, money, and hope in our chosen candidate. Nevertheless, the issues at stake are far, far more important than any one candidate.

Whether or not Hillary supporters like Barack Obama or not, he is vastly closer to Hillary on the issues than McCain, so the only ethical thing to do is to swallow some pride, put aside any petty vindictiveness, and throw your full support behind the presumptive Democratic nominee.

Any Democrat that switches to McCain out of spite will have the blood of thousands of lives that will needlessly be lost in the unjust and unnecessary Iraq war on their hands. They will also have the economic catastrophe caused by McCain’s continuation of Bush’s failed economic policies on their conscience.

It is time for the Democratic party to start throwing their full support to the presumptive nominee for the good of the nation, because the stakes are far to serious to let spite be the the deciding factor.

Chris,
Obama won NC by a smaller margin than he polled just a month prior to the election. He carried over 90% of blacks and a strong majority of urban professionals and students. If you look at WNC as a whole, he lost by wide margins. It is that demographic that can easily haunt the Democrat Party if they nominate the black liberation leftist candidate to the top of their ticket. Farakkan, Wright, Ayers, ACORN and any other baggage to be uncovered when the real campaign begins is quite a gamble for a party that intends to tax the hell out of middle class America. CA, PA, WV, FL and MI are far more representative of middle America than the causus and “intellectual set” that are fueling Obama’s rise.

travelah, your ceaseless race-baiting is pathetic. Your bigotry is disgraceful. Your fear of black boogeymen taking over is laughable.

I have news for you.... the reason that the “intellectual set,” i.e, the people with the highest level of education overwhelmingly support Obama, is that he is the most intelligent choice by far.

Your incessant anti-intellectualism only serves to underscore your ignorance. The way to address educational disparities in the US is by increasing educational opportunities and expanding the nature of education, not by stigmatizing being educated.

Pretty funny that you say that Obama is “quite a gamble.” Perhaps Chad Nesbitt and you could run a betting ring out of your garage.

By the way, your despicably racist attempts to paint Obama as a fringe leftist were once again negated by the fact that three more former Chairmen of the Securities and Exchange commission joined former Fed Chairmen Paul Voelker in endorsing Obama today.

“Dennis Kucinich could beat John McCain in California and New York this year.”

Laughing out Loud.

Honestly, I think Kucinich could beat McCain in a lot of states. The Republicans dont like McCain, and have absolutely no interest in winning this Election. Why would they want to deal with the clean-up for the mess they have created?
This Presidency is/was planned for the Clitnons, so that the entire nation can be further distracted and divided by 8 more years of partisan name-calling while they all line their pockets while holding hands at the trough of big-business, looting the last remaining wealth of our nation.
Senator Obama seems to represent a big thorn in their side in the name of participatory democracy. I think this is why Hillary refuses to quit, and why the neo-cons and Limbaugh crowd are spending more time bashing Obama and supporting Ms. Clinton than they are supporting McCain. Nobody in the Current Administration likes McCain. They all want Hillary to win; Partisan Gridlock.
God, I hope Senator Obama becomes President Obama, but i’m sure there are plenty of tricks in store to make sure that doesnt happen, either by back-room deals from the Clinton camp, or by some patsy’s bullet. It’s a nail-biter, for sure.

entop, given your 100% reliance on a constant and unfounded ad hom attack, you have no credibility but you are an excellent example of many Obama activists. Various people are endorsing Obama out of ignorance and he may well be elected. If that is the case, we will have elected the country’s first black liberation leftist in history. That is not race baiting. That is stating the facts.

Here is an example of what fuels Obama’s mindset for those who might be swayed by entop’s propoganda.
http://proudblackvoter.blogspot.com/2008/01/register-to-vote-today.html#links

To state that black voters are not reflecting a race bias in voting is absurd. There are countless blog sites much like this sprouting up championing a black liberation/nationalist mindset that is at the heart of Obama’s “spiritual” quest for the last 20 years.

Hillary offers far less baggage than this unvetted Obama. Thats just a fact.

dj, we will have the same gridlock in this couontry no matter who wins or worse, we will have leftists running both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Fortunately, most of my investments are in hard assets.

djresteep rightly stated, “the neo-cons and Limbaugh crowd are spending more time bashing Obama and supporting Ms. Clinton than they are supporting McCain.”

Sound familiar travelah? He completely has you pegged.

Unfounded? My attacks are certainly well founded. How about you provide one single example of your ludicrously unfounded contentiopn that Obama is a black liberationist/nationalist?

You can’t, because you are just a lying bigot. That is not an ad hominem attack, it is a well founded assessment of your despicable, race-baiting bile. Whether or not you are a white supremacist, you use their rhetoric, so you are a disgrace.

The existence of blog sites doesn’t prove that a majority of black voters are voting on racial lines and it is both shamefully ignorant and ludicrously bigoted for you to make such a claim.

Hillary has less baggage than Obama? That may be the most hilarious contention of all. You are a pathetically bigoted joke.

Hillary offers far less baggage than this unvetted Obama.

travelah, you can’t possibly be serious.

i am glad to see that this bit of writing has caused such a stir. i would encourage all of you to go to anewdaypost.com for up to the minute interactive news and to see more of what i am working on

Dont mind travelah. He cannot be convinced, and merely appears to spend his time as one of the last hangers-on from Op. Chaos.

If you are a blog junky, as i am, you will notice the exact same talking points anywhere on the web relating to Clitnon or Obama; “Hillary offers far less baggage than Obama, Obama is a Rascist/Black Supremicist/Leftist Extremist, Hillary represents more of middle America than Obama, Hillary voters won’t vote for Obama” etc etc etc.
It’s funny because it is all so similar in content (and lack-there-of), consistently spewing the same half-truths and non-truths in glorious non sequitur fashion, without any regard to the actual topic at hand. Interspersed you may still find a few sincere Clinton supporters expressing dismay at the hate-and lie-filled posts from some of their purported allies, but honestly, there aren’t too many out there anymore.
This travelah person is a good example. He does not seem to actually support Clinton, but merely wants to paint Senator Obama in the light that the Hannity Crew have dictated. Based on viewing other posts of his, and the consistent tone, he would, in all respects, seem to be a fan of Mr. McCain because of the Arizona Senator’s more fiscally conservative posturing (he is still, after all, a Republican, despite his constant criticism of the Bush Administration and the “agents of intolerance” who helped elect him). But since McCain is the one, who, at this point is un-electable (although the Dems may do a good job of changing that for him), he feels it more prudent to spend time trying to add fuel to the fire that is the sibling rivalry of the Left in this country.
Kudos to him for that, for sure. Don’t feed into it.

entop, I am neither a neocon or a Rush fan.

bobaloo, I am serious. Understand me properely when I say this. I am no fan of Clinton. I cannot stand to listen to her but her faults are pretty well known. Obama brings a dirty ghost out of the closet with each passing week. His black liberation leftist notions have yet to be explored by mainstream media in this primary campaign. The ideas, statements and suggestions made by these absurd people should give cause for anybody to reconsider what they are doing in sending Obama to the White House.

Once again travelah, you prove yourself to be a lying fraud. Once again you have been busted by the fact that you are not able to offer one shred of proof for your asinine fabrication.

Over and over you make these racist claims about Obama being a black liberation/nationalist blah-blah-blah, because you get your info from racist white supremacist sites that don’t offer a shred of proof either.

If your going to make such asinine claims, you should be able to cite countless examples, but you weren’t able to cite even one single example, because your ludicrous lies have no truth to them at all.  Pathetic.

entop, if you are an indication of the character of Obama with your constant personal accusations, then the couontry is in trouble. Go back to sleep under your bridge.

travelah, coming from you that is quite a compliment. Like many Obama supporters, I am sure as heck not going to sit around and politely humor you while you disseminate your shameful, bigoted lies.

It is completely hilarious that once again, when confronted with the fact that you were caught in a lie because you weren’t able to provide one single shred of evidence for your asinine fabrication, you didn’t even have the courage to admit you were wrong for lying.

If your specious fabrication had been true, there would have been evidence to base it on, and there is not.

Apparently you missed the commandment about not bearing false witness because that is EXACTLY what you have done, again and again and again.

How ironic that you would imply that I am a troll. A net troll is someone who goes to an internet site that has a perspective that they disagree with and tries to stir things up.

For an example, a racist, homophobe, right wing libertarian that has nothing better to do than troll around a liberal site spewing his bigoted bile. That person would be a troll. If you want to see what one looks like, quickly run to your bathroom and look at the glass panel just above the sink.

travelah,
Still, I don’t think any ghosts in his closet could compare to the three car garage of poltergeists Clinton has.

Seriously, the Wright meme can only be played out as long as there is fresh and relevant material.
Truly, there are some whose distaste for his relationship with his mentor, whose proven himself to be an egotistical, nouveau black liberationist, will permanently sour their opinion of him. But, you have to admit, he answered it in satisfactory manner to most.
Let that one go for a while.

There’s plenty you can disagree with him on ideologically beyond this one subject, right?

entop, did the trucks passing overhead wake you out of a slumber?

bobaloo, granted, there is a heavy trunk of garbage in the Clinton garage. You are right, there is much I disagree with Obama on, just about every thought he has. I personally find his explanations regarding Wright to be contrived however, you are also right that this issue can be played only so long if it does not reasonate with the general electorate. It is a key issue with me because I particularly detest the racist implications of that 20 year associaton. In any event, I suspect the American people are in for a very rude awakening at the helm of a leftist agenda that is being falsely portrayed as a uniting coalition.

No travelah, the trucks overhead don’t bother us in our secret leftist lairs, spread out under bridges across the US. The Teamsters are in on our secret plan to take the US over with our leftist, pro-black agenda. That’s why they endorsed Obama, our ring leader.

Soon we will be announcing that the US has gone completely communist. Our first act will be to start with mandatory interracial, same-gender marriage, and then we move on to phase two, where all the remaining white people will be sent off to live on an Island near Guam.

You were right all along travelah. We are out to get you with our leftist, black liberationist agenda. bwwwwwah-ha-ha-ha

entop .. as long as your mandated mate is green, your species will survive .... go back to sleep.

Now you be nice travelah… Obama put me in charge of the interracial same-gender marriage reassignment program and you are at the top of the list.

You should see the muscles on the husband I have picked out for you. I hope you are a bottom.

Harry Potter loves you travelah. He lives under the bridge with us. He’s working on a wonderful black liberationist, communist spell just for you.  The leftists are coming for you travelah....

This is pure theater; Democrats and Republicans and “elections”. No one I talk to buys it anymore, and these people are getting fed up with their countrymen’s cowardly subscription to what has become, in essence, insignificant and irrelevant sports team fan rivalries.

Whoever Chris Busby is, he may as well be a writer for Sports Illustrated. Go play some fantasy football and get the hell out of our way!

Matt Mercy, there is a time I would have agreed with you completely. You are right, there is theater in politics and the system certainly imposes a restricted architecture of consensus reality over the structure of American politics, which often gives the impression that there are choices where there are none.

That said, none of exist completely outside of that sociopolitical matrix, and for many people the issues are very real, so it is dangerous to treat them as abstractions.

Teachers who need to get paid more, women who want safe and legal access to decide what to do with their own bodies, and people dependent on public assistance to survive, are all affected by differences between Republicans and Democrats which are very, very real for them.

I respect anyone’s right to reject the system in favor of a more ethical, enlightened system such as anarchosyndacalism, but personally I see more actual change coming from closer to the center.

The most significant changes I have seen come not from radical visionaries, who I appreciate greatly, but from incrementalists who fight the day to day real world battles of how to make differences in the the existing system.

I’m all for implementing proportional representation, which would be a great start towards moving away from the overly simplistic construct of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents, but in the meantime, I think it is a grave mistake not to compromise where necessary because the issues at stake are very real.

Blacks vote for Democrats in overwhelming numbers.  In November, blacks will vote for Obama again, but not because of race.  They will vote for him because the Republican Party refuses to acknowledge in any meaningful way that Martin Luther King’s dream is not yet a reality.  You don’t see Alan Keyes pulling in big African-American numbers because, even though he’s black, he doesn’t represent the best interests of that demographic.

I saw Gladys Knight speak before the Michelle Obama thing.  She was classy.  She laid out how she’d come to know about Obama and why she felt his policies and his personality were what the country needs.  Then she said something along the lines of, “and it makes me so proud to finally get to vote for someone who looks like me.”

travelah - name even one “black liberation leftist notion” that Barack Obama has. 

travelah - Your guilt-by-association is trickling down all the way to the Mtn. X blog.  Because Entopticon supports Obama, and you don’t like Entopticon, it means that you can’t like Obama and that the country is in big trouble.

That’s crazy.

Gordon, in fairness, travelah hated Obama before I ever posted a single word in support of Obama. Believe it or not, I actually get a remarkable amount of support on mediated national political blogs where I post under another moniker.

I have already challenged travelah over and over again to name one single example of Obama being a black liberationist, and of course travelah has failed because as we both know, Obama most certainly is not.

The hypocrisy is particularly heinous in light of travelah’s condemnation of Obama’s spiritual life, since travelah clearly broke the 9th commandment, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”

It is especially shameful that travelah wasn’t even willing to own up to his lie after being busted on the facts, which is definitely a case of bearing false witness.

Alan Keyes’ candidacy is indeed a good example to prove that travelah’s racist assumption that black people all vote on ethnicity rather than the issues is certainly wrong.

Gordon Smith, you are right that Blacks vote overwhelmingly Democrat regardless of who is running. It’s also true that blacks are now voting overwhelming black between two otherwise indistinguishable candidates.
Obama has been mentored by one of the more prominent black liberation theology adherents in the country for the past 20 years. These philosophies have been the mainstay of that church and continue to be so today under it’s new pastor. It’s stated beliefs have been entirely “afrocentric” and it’s rhetoric has been consistently racist and leftist. One does not sit under that guidance for 20 years and legitimately claim he doesn’t agree with it’s primary teachings. I am sure you would object to a candidate for public office who has been a follower of Fred Phelps whacked out church organization. In fact we would never hear the end of it. In fact, we are hearing absurd rhetoric and vitriolic hatred expressed towards Southern Baptists and anybody who might attend their services here on this board.
My distaste for the Democrats near certain leftist nominee has nothing to do with any participant on this board. The latest foreign policy debacle reveals even more regarding why I oppose him. Our enemies are essentially his friends and anybody who is an enemy of Israel is absolutely my enemy. He is an appeaser of terrorists and radical murderers and as such should have no place at the end of our government.
This is what the Democrat Party has become, an appeaser of terrorist interests and has abandoned a long standing commitment to Israel. That stench of a man, Jimmy Carter, has made it clear as day.

“T”, After reading your last post I am forced to believe you have slipped around the bend. What in gods name is wrong with you? Your rants are are further and further divorced from reality. In the past you at least made arguments that had some logical merit. But now your comments seem made only to provoke a response. Which is by the way, the definition of an opinion board troll. Although I’ve rarely agreed with you in the past, I at least had a little respect for your intellect. But after that last comment about President Carter, I lost all respect for you. I’m concerned that you would refer to him as “That stench of a man”. Of all the recent presidents, he is the most honorable human being (mensch) of the lot. You, on the other hand, are hardly worthy of cleaning his toilet bowl. Please come to your senses and stop this name calling and senseless attacks on Obama. You are not going to change anyone’s mind here with your baseless charges. If you are here solely to provoke, then you are a troll!

travelah, don’t worry, I haven’t lost any respect for you. Your posts are as ignorant and offensively bigoted as ever, so I still have virtually no respect for you or your racist rants against Obama.

Since you are too cowardly to own up to your lies, even when confronted with the fact that you were not even able to provide one single shred of evidence for your ludicrous fabrications, it is time to set the facts straight.

Reverend Wright’s church is part of the United Church of Christ, which is predominantly white!

Wright’s church, the Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago, has actually been a major force in advocating against black nationalism since the 1930’s! It has literally been one of the core elements of their church.

It is also outlandishly ironic that you accuse Wright of being unpatriotic since he was a Marine and YOU are the one referring to a US President as a “stench of a man.” Your hypocrisy and lies are pathetic.

You need to stop relying on right-wing extremist lunatics like Stanley Kurtz for your racist disinformation.

At least learn the basic facts about Wright’s church and its history of discouraging black nationalism before disseminating your shamefully bigoted garbage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_united

Wright’s church, the Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago, has actually been a major force in advocating against black nationalism since the 1930’s!

I fail to see how that is possible, since even the Wiki article you use says it was founded in 1961. In the 30’s, your Wiki article states, the contextual backdrop of the church was established by Elijah Muhammed of the radical Nation of Islam, who advocated a separate black state.

On top of that, I’m sure, Eli and entop, that you both refer to Bush in much more respectful tones, no?

travelah, leave the black issue alone for crying out loud! Go for policy if you want to attack Obama. You’re really beating a dead horse.

entop, wiki is not a reliable source on any controversial subject such as this. It’s entries are created and edited by vested interests and this one reads like a promo piece by an elder of the church. Second, I was raised up as a child attending a United Church of Christ and know specifically what it is. It’s roots go back to 1957 with the merger of several Congregational churches and the Evangelical & Reformed church. Rev. Wright’s organization is an offshoot of that merger. It is interesting to note that the modern apostate UCC is currently engaged in promoting “guilt” seminars regarding Afrocentric awareness efforts. Your facts are shaded.
http://www.thearda.com/Denoms/Families/Trees/familytree_unitedcoc.asp

Yes, Wright was a Marine and could not be considered today to be a very honorable one. He has forgotten, with his “God damn America” remarks and his long history of disgust for his country, the fundamental words emblazoned on every Marines heart, “Semper Fidelis”.
As for Jimmy Carter, I am sure your dear Rev Wright has several choice words for President Bush and by that same manner, I am guessing President Richard Nixon as well as Bush do not sit well with your world view. You see, you are a propagandist and present your thoughts with that aim. It also causes your thoughts to be transparent.

bobaloo, you may be right with regard to this discussion. I am sure it will continue in the campaign in any event.
Obama’s policy intentions are certainly interesting. His objection to the recent appeasement uproar was quite interesting given his intentions to meet with sponsors of world terrorism with no preconditions.

Big E, good to see you come out of your slumber. Be assured I post here to offer a view not well represented by the constant whine of myopic leftists who bemoan everything that enables them to utter their incomprehensible mutterings. You don’t agree with my opinions and I suppose it fair to state I do not agree with yours. However, I believe your opinions should be heard. I only wish you would use your intellect to that purpose.

My bad bobaloo, I misspoke in haste. The Trinity Church traces back to Chicago ministers that opposed the black nationalist movement since its formation under Elijah Muhammad in the 1930’s. The Trinity Church actively opposed black nationalism since its inception in 1961.

Of course, my point remains unchanged; Wright’s Church has actively opposed black nationalism, which has its roots in a cultish offshoot of Islam, from the start.

Your gotcha point about Bush was seriously misguided and logically flawed. I have never pretended to be a fan of patriotism. I think it’s idiotic. I specifically said that my problem with travelah was his hypocrisy for making such an issue of Wright’s patriotism.

I think Bush is a war criminal and the single worst enemy of the environment in human history. I can think of plenty of harsh adjectives for such a person, but that doesn’t conflict with my world view because I think patriotism is a dangerous thing.

I definitely agree with you that travelah should cease his bigoted harping on the Wright issue.

Ahhhhh.... so we finally have proof travelah.... you spent years of your life in Wright’s church, so you are every bit as guilty as Obama!

It is amusing that the diagram you provided shows no split between Wright’s church and the United Church of Christ, because there is none. It is still a very active, participatory member of the United Church of Christ, which is mostly white, and includes people such as YOU.

You still don’t get it. I get to blast Bush all I want without being a hypocrite because I am not the one impugning Wright’s patriotism. I’m not the propagandist here, so unlike you I don’t give a hoot about pandering, foolish constructs such as patriotism.

I could care less if you act unpatriotically, but when you do, by things like calling a President of the US a “stench of a man,” that makes you outlandishly hypocritical because you are the one constantly impugning Obama and Wright’s patriotism.

What you said about Carter is every bit as bad as anything Wright ever said. Disparaging his long service as a marine is far worse.

Seriously, it’s like the synaptic connection that prevents normal people from contradicting themselves constantly is snipped in you. Your hypocrisy seems to know no bounds.

Concerning your remarks about appeasement, you have already given away the fact that you don’t even have any idea what it is. All you do is parrot your pathetic right-wing jingoistic nonsense without even the slightest understanding of the facts.

Appeasement refers to giving things to the enemy in exchange for peace. Talking to the enemy is not appeasement, and only someone who is completely ignorant of history would claim that it is.

Bush’s own Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, has advocated talking with Ahmedinejad, as have several other prominent members of the Bush cabinet! Your argument holds no water.

It was very entertaining to see Chris Matthews eviscerate right-wing radio host Kevin James for the same ignorant mistake that you have made by conflating appeasement with talking. You can see James taken to task for it here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/hardball-shoutfest-matthe_n_102020.html

entop, why is it you never get anything correctly? I am not UCC. I am a Wesleyan Arminian today, faith-wise. I was raised in a family that went to the big white steepled Congregationalist church in the middle of town (UCC)in the 1960s. The reason Wright’s church is not shown as a split of the UCC is because his is just one splinter of many and does not constitute a separate denomination. His church is decidedly black with an Afrocentric focus and agenda. To continue to deny that is simply foolish.
Appeasement is giving an audience to and acquiescing to the agenda of the one appeased. Obama’s gift would be that of granting legitimacy to a rouge. As for the Bush administration talking with Iran, they have laid down conditions to meeting with them. Your leftist candidate goes hat in hand, figuratively speaking, with no preconditions.
Chris Matthews carries no weight with me either intellectually or as a journalist. Jimmy Carter? He is the first former President in modern times to act as an ambassador in residence for a foreign terrorist organization. He is in two words, a deceived idiot.

travelah, how you cannot see the hypocrisy of your attacks on Carter is beyond me. You are every bit as guilty of unpatriotic behavior as Wright ever was.

If you had bothered to learn about Obama’s stance first, he doesn’t advocate negotiating with terrorist organizations and he never has. If you had even taken the slightest effort to learn about the issues before blathering on about them you would also know that Obama does say that there would be some preconditions for talks with enemy foreign governments. He’s willing to talk without all of our demands being met, and that is a great thing.

As far as the hat in hand thing goes, as usual, you just made it up because you are a compulsive liar.

You were raised in a family that went to a UCC church. I am not wrong, you have a long history with Wright’s church, so clearly you can never be President. Poor travelah.

I never thought Carter was that great as a President, but he has done more good than you could ever dream of as an ex-President and compared to Bush, he was a stellar President.

entop, Obama has stated publically that he would sit down with Iran and other state sponsors of terrorism without any preconditions. Iran is the principle funds support for Hezbollah and Hamas and that makes them a terrorist organization. I realize that is perfectly fine with you but before people vote for your anti-American candidate, they should know more about the guy.
Carter presided over this economic beast called “stagflation” and attributed it to the American public. We, the public, threw him out of office. Had it not been for Ross Perot in 1992,a Democrat would still not have seen the light of the Oval Office. But don’t you worry. If and when your candidate plops himself down in there, it will not be long before the country will have had it’s fill of another radical Democrat falsely presenting himself as a bridge builder.

travelah, you are spittin some seriously delusional nonsense.

you may want to consider therapy that goes beyond the xpress blogs.

“entop, wiki is not a reliable source on any controversial subject such as this”

but, travelah, you cited the very same wiki entry that he was referencing. he only mentioned it in reference to your citing!

Are you even one person? Are there multiple people posting in your account?  Or is there a chance you are mildly schizophrenic?

So, do you support anyone, ‘t’? Or are you only in the “Anyone but the black guy” camp

travelah, Obama was very clear that Iran would have to show certain gestures of good faith, so your argument is semantic and empty once the facts are examined.

The preconditions he referred to was that as opposed to the Bush policy of not meeting to negotiate unless they other side capitulates to what you were negotiating to before hand, Obama would talk with leaders where necessary.

Bush breaks his own policy on a frequent basis, when it serves him. Obama’s willingness to meet with nations such as Iran if they take certain steps of good faith is virtually identical to Robert Gates’ position, and you would know that if you didn’t live in a world of right-wing sound bites.

If you were reading the actual news, you would know that Joe Biden has been eviscerating the Bush administration over this exact point and the Bush administration hasn’t even been able to counter Biden’s attacks because as he put it, “there is no defense for their hypocrisy.”

Of course, you are right about one thing. Obama is definitely planning a giant leftist pro-black overthrow of the government. We’ll finally get to all be communists and thanks to modern technology we will all be black soon too.

Start preparing for you mandatory behavioral reconditioning travelah. By February you will be spending 24 hrs a day strapped to a chair in a leftist brainwashing center where your eyes will be pinned open and you will be forced to watch independent films and Michael Moore documentaries all day.

The leftists are coming to get you with their evil plan. bwwwwahhhh-haaaa-haaaaa-haaaaaaaaaaa

dj, pay attention. I did not cite the Wiki article. I spoke from my own knowledge and experience. As for who I support, I suppose I will hold my nose and vote for McCain in November as he is the moderate Democrat in this race. The race of the candidate has no bearing on my decision. It is the policies endorsed and promoted by the candidate that is of concern.

entop, you clearly are spinning. The following link offers Obama’s view which is quite distant from your own.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/01/america/obama.php
It is quite clear our enemies are his friends.

“Here is an example of what fuels Obama’s mindset for those who might be swayed by entop’s propoganda.
http://proudblackvoter.blogspot.com/2008/01/register-to-vote-today.html#links

To state that black voters are not reflecting a race bias in voting is absurd. There are countless blog sites much like this sprouting up championing a black liberation/nationalist mindset that is at the heart of Obama’s “spiritual” quest for the last 20 years. “

wow...did you even take the time to read the blog that you referenced or did you simply cut & paste the first black voter blog you found? This blog has encouraged black citizens to register to vote and then do so. A quote from the site..."Here’s to Black voters showing up and showing out for whomever their candidate may be.”

From the blog’s ‘About Me’ page..."Afrosphere - the entire Diaspora of Black bloggers. AAC is a coalition of Afrosphere bloggers who first coalesced around the Jena 6 issue and have since taken actions via the net to bring awareness or to call people to action on various issues including: AIDS and Darfur. MrsG of Mrsgrapevine.com conceived of this Proud Black Voter initiative, and it is also being sponsored by http://www.BlackPerspective.net and http://ElectronicVillage.blogspot.com as a joint venture initiative.”

travelah, I would say that if you are white and have ANY problems with this blog, you are undeniably racist....

wow…

Hillary will prevail. Obama is a lightweight. The presidency isn’t a place for a man to learn on the job. One naive mistake, and the USA could be in grave danger. I mean Obama has said he would talk with anyone without preconditions. That is Jimmy Carter naive, and dangerous. You don’t talk witrh terrorist hacks.

Senator Hillary Clinton is seasoned and ready to go. She understands the average American, while OObama looks down his elitist nose at us...happy with our guns and religion as we are.

God bless America. Hillary, you go girl!

McTalking points supplied by Rush Limbaugh and the Good People at WhiteWater.

If Hillary “prevails”, she will succeed in disenfranchising more voters in this country than even the last two Bush (s)’elections’.

The only boogeyman I am scared of coming to get me is the CIA. Incidentally, the same organization who created Bin Laden, Iran, Iraq, etc.

I cant wait for all the blacks to take over and make me their white-girl mascot.

travelah, as tatuaje correctly pointed out, you have pretty strange notions of what evidence is when you post websites. tatuaje proved that you cited a website encouraging black people to vote for ANY candidate as proof that black people are conspiring for Obama! Your bigotry is astonishing.

If you had bothered to pay attention to the followup debates after the article on negotiations with Iran that you cited was written, you would know how misguided your assertions are.

You accuse ME of spinning the facts and then you say “It is quite clear our enemies are his friends.” !!!

Seriously, are you huffing glue when you say this nonsense? The very article that you cited made it perfectly clear that Obama does not approve of Iran’s aid to Shiite militias etc.  Obama is on record a thousand times over condemning terrorist organizations, so you are out-and-out LYING. You aren’t just spinning the facts, you are simply making things up as you go along. Pathetic.

It is as funny as it is sad that you are completely oblivious to how pathetically transparent your obsessive bigotry is.

As usual, William “you go girl” P Miller’s mangling of the facts is matched only by the enormity of his delusional arguments.

Obama has 3 more years as an elected official than Hillary does, so if anyone wasn’t ready for the job it is her! Yes, much of Obama’s experience was at the state level, but ALL of Bill Clinton’s experience was at the state level, and his state was Arkansas, which has a miniscule fraction of the economy and population of Obama’s state, Illinois. Illinois has one of the world’s largest economies in its own right.

Apparently William “facts are my enemy” P Miller was too busy spreading lies to stop and pay any attention to the facts because Obama has consistently said that he would NOT negotiate with terrorists.

Hillary Clinton understands the average American? The same Hillary Clinton who can barely remember how to drive a car because she has gone everywhere in limousines for decades? The same Hillary Clinton worth well over $100 million dollars? The same Hillary Clinton who has $800 k in her joint bank account from her husband’s lobbying deal for the murderous Columbian Government for the trade deal that she supposedly opposes?

The same Hillary Clinton that when confronted about what to do about eroding support from Southern working class voters at a Camp David meeting said, “Screw ‘em. You don’t owe them a thing, Bill. They’re doing nothing for you; you don’t have to do anything for them.”?!?

Obama, who has been on food stamps, who as opposed to Hillary, worked his way through college, who chose to work for $8k a year working with unemployed steel workers instead of a corporate firm like Hillary, who only recently finished paying off his college loans, is an elitist?

Shame on you William “I never met a lie I didn’t like” P Miller.

Fortunately, your delusional belief that Hillary could still win is overwhelmingly crushed by the facts of the matter. The Democratic nomination is a delegate contest. As of tomorrow, Obama will officially be well past the point where no matter what Hillary does, she cannot catch up in delegates.

Obama has the most pledged delegates, the most contests won, the most popular votes, and the most superdelegates. Despite the wishful proclamations of William “reality is scary” P Miller, Obama will win no matter how you slice it.

If you are really a Democrat, not just a right-winger promoting Hillary to damage the Democratic Party, and you have any ethics at all, you will throw your full support to Barack Obama for the sake of the issues that the Party stands for.

tatuaje, help me understand why you believe that white people who oppose black nationalist propaganda sites are racist themselves. The Jenna, LA episode could not be a better example of radical black activism gone amuck. That one site is just one example of the bias black voters are showing in voting 90% for Obama rather than a candidate who is very similar on the issues and has been supportive for decades on civil rights issues so much so her husband was called the first black President. If you do not see racial bias at work here, then you are either blind or you are ignoring it.
The liberal left tactic has long been to tar their opposition with falsehoods such as you are doing here. Whites who oppose black nationlist leftist politics must be racist for pointing it out? How do you regard blacks who oppose black nationalist leftist politics? Do you consider them to be uncle toms and a traitor to their race?

The fear-mongering of ‘if you vote for Obama, Muslim extremist boogeymen are going to get you’ is an interesting talking point.  Much of Obama’s appeal is that he doesn’t play this card. His constituency, the folks voting for him in the primaries across the country, are people who are SICK AND TIRED of hearing this nonsense from their ‘elected officials.’
Seeing the Democratic party suck up to this fear-mongering in the last two or three election cycles is what has fostered more disillusionment with our ‘democratic’ process. People like myself are somewhat inspired by the Obama campaign because he represents a slightly more thoughtful discourse on foreign policy. The perceived difference between Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama is that we see her pandering to the Republican/neo-con camp of “America vs. The World”. That stance sickens me, and it apparently sickens a lot of folks.

Some people, who say they will vote for McCain, still spend hours on the xpress blogs, talking about why Hillary is a better candidate than Obama. Intriguing. If their intent is to make me not vote Obama, they may well be served to know that their tactics only strengthen my resolve to vote Obama. If only to gain such satisfaction when their heads collectively explode when they discover they are now in the minority, political and culturally speaking.

I cant wait for Obama to turn this country into a Muslim state, with Jane Fonda as secretary of defense, and North Korea as the new Isreal. I want him to be sworn in on the Koran, while chewing on a white baby’s head and screaming “Allah Akbar!!!”

I even heard Michelle Obama is actually a man, and really only wants to be first lady because she has masculine ambitions.

Oh, wait, that was what travelah, et al. was saying about Ms. Clinton 16 some years ago.

“T”,I bet if you changed sides you could win this argument. What I’m saying is, you should go visit one of those wingnut sites and post there. You could probably get a more satisfying reaction. (those pinheads would have strokes over the kind of horseshite you throw around)

“...black voters are showing in voting 90% for Obama rather than a candidate who is very similar on the issues and has been supportive for decades on civil rights issues so much so her husband was called the first black President. If you do not see racial bias at work here, then you are either blind or you are ignoring it.”

Yoo hoo, this is objective reality come calling once again...racial bias, huh?  Darn those pesky facts.

“Sen. Hillary Clinton has lost a large amount of support among African-Americans, with a majority of black Democrats now supporting Sen. Barack Obama, according to a new poll out Friday.
Sen. Barack Obama has the support of a majority of black Democrats, a poll found.
In a national survey by CNN/Opinion Research Corp., 59 percent of black Democrats backed Obama, an Illinois Democrat, for their party’s presidential nomination, with 31 percent supporting Clinton, the senator from New York.
The 28 point lead for Obama is a major reversal from October, when Clinton held a 24 point lead among black Democrats”

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/18/poll.2008/index.html

“tatuaje, help me understand why you believe that white people who oppose black nationalist propaganda sites are racist themselves.”

Uhhh....really...where are you getting, from the link to the Proud Black Voter Blog, the “black nationalist propaganda”? I have looked all over that blog, several times now, and can honestly find NOTHING that looks REMOTELY like “black nationalist propaganda”. How can that site possibly be considered evidence of bias on the part of black voters?

Please, please, please point it out to me....

because really, you must not have read ANY of that blog STILL....

tatuaje, you will notice that when you call travelah out on the facts, he simply changes the subject and makes up a few new racist lies.

Apparently, travelah thinks that any politically minded black person that is to the left of Alan Keyes must be out to take over America in a vast, black nationalist, leftist conspiracy. travelah is convinced that Obama is central to that conspiracy, which in actuality only exists in the collective consciousness of scared, paranoid, angry, deceitful, right-wing bigots such as travelah.

I object to epticon’s labeling of those who disagree with him as being “liars”. It certainly speaks to the level of his kool-aid drinking Obama blind eye partisanship. Epticon, gain some respect for opposing views. Otherwise you come across as a blind partisan. There are plenty of issues to discuss without using the label “liar”. In my opinion, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is clearly a superior candidate to Senator Barack Hussein Obama. She has more gravitas, and more experience as a politician. Plus we get 2 for 1. We get the experience and intelligence of former President William Jefferson Clinton when we go with Hillary.

You go girl! Back Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton if you believe in “God blress America”.

tatuaje, there are two racist flags in this country. One is the Klansman’s confederate battle flag and the other is a flag of colors, red, black and green. Both represent either ignorance or despicable ideologies when used as a rallying cry. If you cannot see the division and racial lines being drawn by blacks who are activists for Obama, then you are blind. That site is only one of many and if it is going to fly under it’s activist colors, it is indeed a black nationalist site. That doesn’t mean I think they have no right to do so. It means I have every right to identify them by the colors they fly.

Dionysis, over 90% of blacks voting in NC cast their votes for Obama. Perhaps you need a new poll.

So that’s your argument? The logo from the site which is a UNIA flag interwoven with an American flag? Once again, that is just simply flawed reasoning. Once more, show me the propaganda from the site. Oh, and the US Postal Service used the UNIA flag on a stamp....were they spreading “propaganda” as well?

propaganda |ˌpräpəˈgandə|
noun
1 chiefly derogatory information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view : he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda.
• the dissemination of such information as a political strategy : the party’s leaders believed that a long period of education and propaganda would be necessary .

Figured you must need a little refresher on what the word means…

“Dionysis, over 90% of blacks voting in NC cast their votes for Obama. Perhaps you need a new poll.”

Perhaps you need a new brain, hopefully one that contains enough integrity to take the hits when you’re proven wrong, instead of changing the subject, as is your M.O.  Nowhere in any of your posts did you specify NC.  Your comments were, as always, broad-brushed twaddle.  Just like the other day when you whined that McCain’s clergy problem was “manufactured by liberals.” When the right-leaning head of American Catholics was quoted to refute your claim, you simply ignored it and instead tried to make the ridiculous assertion that by quoting him, it was ‘bigoted’ on my part (in fact, I think all religions are superstitious nonsense).  Nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.  Just a shallow was to dodge and weave away from the fact you consistently have your derriere handed back to you.
You do serve a purpose, however, which is remind people of just how intellectually bankrupt and fundamentally dishonest rightwingers are.

Now travelah’s true colors are showing as his bigotry has gone off the deep end. It is absolutely astonishing that travelah had the profoundly ignorant, racist audacity to compare the UNIA flag to the flag of the KKK!

Last I checked, the UNIA flag wasn’t the symbol of a hate group that has burned thousands of white people alive.

Last I checked, the UNIA flag wasn’t the symbol of a hate group that hung thousands of white men from trees.

Last I checked, the UNIA flag wasn’t the symbol of a hate group that attacked white children for going to the same school as black children.

Last I checked, the UNIA flag wasn’t a symbol of a hate group that burned thousands and thousands of crosses on the properties of white people in order to terrorize them.

Last I checked, the UNIA flag was not connected to any known hate group. The various groups that identify with the flag may have issues about race that are worth questioning, but to equate them with the KKK is beyond contemptible.

travelah’s astonishing bigotry is absolutely disgraceful

William P Miller, I could care less if it makes you uncomfortable to be called out for your lying, you despicable bigot.

Barack Obama does not go by his middle name. You and your right-wing extremist cohorts may think you are being subtle when you slip in his middle name to exploit people’s xenophobia, but you are not.

You are a detestable bigot and I will continue to keep calling you out on your bigotry and shameful lies.

It is clear that you are either a right-wing extremist posing as a Hillary supporter as part of Operation Chaos to destroy the Democratic Party, or you are ludicrously ignorant because there is nothing Democratic about the issues that you espouse.

If as you say, guns and religion are your main concerns, you would be a Republican (and we both know that you really are). There is a reason why the NRA is overwhelmingly Republican, and Democrats push a far more secularist agenda than the Republicans.

You particularly gave yourself away when you accused me for being a partisan for calling you out on your lies about Hillary and Obama. Hillary and Obama are in the same party, genius.

tatuaje, if you check with entop’s preferred reference materials, Wiki, you will find that this “flag” is known under several names besides the UNIA flag and serves as more than just one expression. Leave it to a leftist to pervert a post.
(As for the Post Office being an example of proper management and good decision making , well, not much more needs to be said)

entop, you are a great example of an Obama advocate. Keep up the good work. Your black nationalst leftist candidate, Barack Hussein Obama, should be proud of your typical insulting and asinine personal annimosity toward people who think differently than yourself. So much for Democrat diversity!
The NRA has been around a long time and is made up of gun advocates, Democrat and Republican. You are out of touch with what has constituted the Democrat coalitions for the past several decades.

travelah, the rationalizations for your despicable bigotry get more and more pathetic every day. As usual, you can’t even defend your bigoted lies, you just use diversionary tactics to throw up smoke screens hoping that no one will notice, but we do.

Unlike the KKK flag, the UNIA flag was not created as a symbol of terror and genocide. For you to equate the two is beyond shameful. You better hope that that wrathful god of yours doesn’t exist travelah, because if he does you are going to be in deep, deep trouble one day.

Once again travelah, you are either profoundly ignorant or shamefully lying if you think the NRA is anywhere remotely close to being equally Democrat and Republican.

And once again, Obama does not go by his middle name you despicable, race-baiting bigot.

entop, are you having a bad day? You are getting out of control here

entop, the flag the Klan waves around was created as a battle flag during the War Between the States and had nothing to do with terror and genocide. It has honorable beginnings much like the UNIA flag. Both have come to represent something else. ... Now give that a leftist twist.

THE FLAG THE KLAN WAVES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TERROR AND GENOCIDE?!?!?!!!!

Seriously, you are a severely twisted lunatic.

I wrote:
entop, the flag the Klan waves around was created as a battle flag during the War Between the States and had nothing to do with terror and genocide. It has honorable beginnings much like the UNIA flag. Both have come to represent something else. ... Now give that a leftist twist.

You wrote:
THE FLAG THE KLAN WAVES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TERROR AND GENOCIDE?!?!?!!!!

Seriously, you are a severely twisted lunatic.

I reply:
... I must be a prophet of some sort.

Yes that flag has different supporters who give to it different values....which flag doesn’t? And you’re assumption of how that flag is perceived by the creators of the blog show a certain amount of racism. However, once again, please show me where in that blog is this “propaganda” that you speak of.....

Here is what you wrote, just to refresh your memory…

“To state that black voters are not reflecting a race bias in voting is absurd. There are countless blog sites much like this sprouting up championing a black liberation/nationalist mindset that is at the heart of Obama’s “spiritual” quest for the last 20 years.”

SO...once again, you have not pointed out where any of the “propaganda” is. I simply don’t have time for this. Please, point me to the so-called “propaganda” and I will concede defeat, otherwise I will go back to dutifully ignoring you.

tatuaje, if you have no time for it, you should be using your time more fruitfully. Here is just one of many ... note the use of the phrase “color arousal”. This junk is all over the place ....http://francislholland.blogspot.com/
According to that crackpot, Hillary is another David Duke.

travelah,

I just visited the website you mentioned. Spent an hour reading different posts of his. I dont really see anything wrong with it. I think you are out of touch.
Plus, I got a great link to Immortal Technique’s post about Sean Bell. Thanks.

I think you are frightened by people who look different than you.

Good Link. thanks.

dj, you are welcome. I am guessing you liken Hillary to David Duke too.

travelah, I see that you are not just a Christian apologist, you are a Ku Klux Klan apologist as well. How you live with yourself is beyond me.

The KKK flag was created AFTER the civil war. Historians debate what the red drop represents, but it was certainly a post Civil War creation. The three main theories are that it represents the blood spilt in the Civil War, the blood of the white race, or the blood of a female victim of black violence (the theory espoused by the Birth of a Nation).

Whatever the case, it certainly was not a battle flag from the Civil War. The cross was taken from crusader imagery.

Even if you hadn’t had been wrong, the morality of your argument still was. It may not be a popular notion among right-wing extremists, but the vast majority of black people see the armed insurrection against the government of the United States by rogue states who didn’t want to give up their right to own other human beings as if they were cattle as pure terror and slow but sure genocide.

entop, you don’t pay attention well. Are you getting tired? I am referring to the Confederate Battle Flag that has been flown at many divisive meetings. You are talking about something else and in your absolute rush to spite, you are missing the point completely. Even if I hadn’t been wrong, I would be wrong? What a classic piece of work you are LOL.

A “piece of work”. Your yankee roots are showing travelah. You folks from the NE have been brainwashed about the War Between the States and still believe the lie that that war was about slavery. And that the South was the bad guy and that Lincoln and the yankee army were saviors and the good guy. If you do a little research, you will find that Lincoln was just as slimy as the majority of politicians are. And that that war was started by Lincoln because he wanted a 50% share of the profits of Southern agricultural exports to Europe.

The Confederate Battle Flag had nothing to do with bigotry or slavery. It was proudly flown in battle by Confederate soldiers against an invading yankee army. My own relatives fought under that flag and I can assure you, and the other ignorant transplants, that they did not have slaves . They fought because a blue-coated yankee army had invaded their states. I am proud to be a Son of a Confederate Veteran. In fact, several of them. Long live the Southern Cross, and those transplants who disrespect it can return home to yankeeland.

travelah, I was talking about the insignia on the Klan’s flag. As I pointed out, the Confederate Fl